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who to pray to??
Gina:
Bravo, Riverrrrr!!! ;D :D :D
Kat:
Hi Denise,
I will not hesitate to say that this is a complicated and difficult subject and I do not have any of the answers that's for sure. I am trying to look at this with an open mind, to the Spirit of course, and not let all the religion I have heard impede my understanding. I have read all the Scriptures you have presented many times and yes it gets confusing.
How long has Ray been working on his paper on this subject? We are not going to figure this out here, we are just sharing opinions and that's all.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Hey Denise
Chew on this a little bit. It's GREAT news! ;D
We always think of God as being the Father, always God and Jesus Christ. But here in the OT when God spoke to Moses, it wasn’t God the Father. Because He spoke to him and no man has ever heard the Father and we already showed 18 verses, that proves Christ existed before humans existed. He was at the beginning. He is the beginning. He is the Alpha, you see. He is the beginning of the creation of God. He is the Firstfruit.
So when it says God - Elohim, who is it talking about? It’s the ‘We’ and the ‘Us.’ Elohim is the ’We’ and the ’Us.’ So it’s BOTH!
You got to get it out of your head that God is the name of Jesus’ Father. God is not the name of Jesus’ Father. God is a title that is used even by the pagans. http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html
Gina:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on December 29, 2011, 12:46:47 AM ---
Hey Denise
Chew on this a little bit. It's GREAT news! ;D
We always think of God as being the Father, always God and Jesus Christ. But here in the OT when God spoke to Moses, it wasn’t God the Father. Because He spoke to him and no man has ever heard the Father and we already showed 18 verses, that proves Christ existed before humans existed. He was at the beginning. He is the beginning. He is the Alpha, you see. He is the beginning of the creation of God. He is the Firstfruit.
So when it says God - Elohim, who is it talking about? It’s the ‘We’ and the ‘Us.’ Elohim is the ’We’ and the ’Us.’ So it’s BOTH!
You got to get it out of your head that God is the name of Jesus’ Father. God is not the name of Jesus’ Father. God is a title that is used even by the pagans. http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html
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Deb, How do you do it?! ;) ;D
Revilonivek:
Deb, River and Gina,
I think it's a matter of understanding God..It takes time..I am sure that once we do, it would make total sense. I read somewhere that Ray says God is a title, So probably the term God is an unity consciousness.. One consciousness. Of like mindedness in everything, In One.. Scriptures say the Father wants us to be part of the One.. But my question is.. Is Jesus the Father? Jesus often said we are to pray to the Father, Not him. That's the thing. Jesus and the Father are one because they are united in Oneness and prays from heaven that we unite as one with them too one day. Even Father created Jesus, the first creation among many creations. Doesn't necessarily mean Jesus is the Father himself? That's my question. Is Jesus the Father, or are they just ONE- they think in likeness of everything, an reflection of each other, they have the same beliefs, notions, same thinking, etc and they want us to be like them in everything, hence, creating us in the image of the Father. Doesn't mean we are Father himself. simply a reflection of the father? Even scripture says Father is not material. that means He doesn't eat. He doesn't drink. Doesn't sleep, and so on..But like River pointed out scriptures that say The father is love, light and everyone who knows him knows that voice or instinct. I look forward to Ray's paper. :)
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