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adiamondintheson:
In reply to post #16 dated Jan.1st 2012 and written in part by Samson... he quoted an article of Jan. 2007 written by Ray entitled “Living with a Woman”.
Before I go on, I am not trying to discredit any of the other posts, I just am looking for a clarification.
Again, in Rays article, he stated that Nuptuals are a wedding ceremony which includes a wedding feast or a reception where vows are exchanged in a public ceremony with witnesses, etc. and that living with a man or a woman (which ever the case may be) definitely requires a piece of paper or a marriage certificate, (if I understood it correctly).
My question is this.... in Genesis 24:63-67 Isaac met Rebekah (assuming) a short distance from his mothers tent, and as the verses indicate, the 2 of them went in to his mothers tent where Isaac 'took'
Rebekah, and she became his wife.
Genesis 24:63-67 And Isaac went out to meditate in the field at the eventide: and he lifted up his eyes, and saw, and, behold, the camels were coming. And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel. For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself. And the servant told Isaac all things that he had done. And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death
Now that does leave room for a lot of conjecture in that one could assume that it was Rebekah and Isaac only inside the tent; there were no witnesses or other physical proof of their marriage.
Again, I do agree, that 2 people should exchange vows with each other and before God, but from there, if they were sincere with their vows, are they married?? or Not? Please, do reply as I am happily married, and we had witnesses, etc. but this has been a question in my mind for some time and I guess this is as good a time as any to discuss it with others.
Den
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: adiamondintheson on January 02, 2012, 03:43:01 PM ---Genesis 24:63-67 And Isaac went out to meditate in the field at the eventide: and he lifted up his eyes, and saw, and, behold, the camels were coming. And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel. For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself. And the servant told Isaac all things that he had done. And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death
Now that does leave room for a lot of conjecture in that one could assume that it was Rebekah and Isaac only inside the tent; there were no witnesses or other physical proof of their marriage.
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Gen 24:50-51 Then Laban and Bethuel answered and said, “The thing comes from the LORD; we cannot speak to you either bad or good. Here is Rebekah before you; take her and go, and let her be your master’s son’s wife, as the LORD has spoken.”
Rebekah's family was a witness...they gave their daughter away as a father does during a wedding ceremony.
Also the phrase 'he took her as his wife and loved her' did not happen right then and there inside the tent. No one falls truly in love in an instant. This was a general statement that took place over a period of time.
Hope this helps,
Marques
ez2u:
We all getting into these sinful situations its so very humbling its good to see you are looking at it as though you did sin prayer and going slower helps keeping the sword in the sheave helps a great deal to think and hear clearer.
Duane:
I found these posts extremely well thought out and helpful on many levels. I especially enjoyed Craig's analogy of the gold being dug up and refined against it's will and natural habitat. I truly hope Dre Learns and not Leaves. We "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"!
What better place to be guided, corrected and helped than this FORUM! How would you like to be dragged before the deacon's committee and then the "church body" to have your "laundry" and subsequent "dis-fellowshipping" done before the whole church assembly?? I have seen it done and it is not pretty! (I have never heard where publicly dissecting a person for sinning has resulted in repentance yet!)
We, B-T'ers are the "body" and this is a beautiful, self-esteem retaining way of helping/guiding each other in love--which I might add, is VERY evident in people's answers.
Duane, being Duane, has to end on a lighter note: My father was commenting to me how many people, both Christian and non-Christian were getting divorced or separated with impunity--and then living with others without being married! Having the same sense of humor as a teen, I replied "yeah, Dad--It seems that now days parents raise their off-spring 'from childhood right up through adultery' "!
(he tried not to laugh!)
River:
--- Quote from: Craig on January 02, 2012, 07:40:37 AM ---
--- Quote ---I think I can understand why certain posters might no longer be around.
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Some if not most are not longer here because the idol of their hearts become exposed and they will not/cannot except that they me be wrong. I am the same way, but someday we will know better.
Marques' post and Ray's responses were full of wisdom, but if the idol of our own hearts are pricked our first inclination is to attack the messenger. That my friends is the Beast Within. I have come to recognize that "beast" and it is in me and everyone of us. Realizing this, my race in this life is to slowly let go of my own idols, it is a struggle with a lot of pit stops along the way.
I don't believe God sits in heaven with a rule book out and says "if you do this then I will punish you like this" God's wisdom is revealed in the Bible and in parables and symbols. He tells us that if we make certain decisions and mistakes then the effect of these choices will always be there for us to deal with. Cause and effect. Why did God create us so weak? Why doesn't God just create us strong so that we only will make the right choices? Read that again..."Why doesn't God create us strong?". Friends, He is "creating" us strong, we are in the creation stage, this is part of our creation process.
God likens Himself to a cleansing fire. Let's consider that we are a nugget of gold taken from the ground, and let us also assign feelings and emotions to the gold. O.K?, so there we are in the ground buried safe and sound all is fine according to our knowledge and we are comfortable. Then one day we feel a vibration around us, we become frightened and curious, the noises and vibrations increase and suddenly we are hoisted from our comfort zone and there is a light shining on us. We don't like this, we like our comfort better. We don't recognize that we are dirty we don't know much of anything. We look over to our right and spot the most beautiful sight, a nugget of Gold that is pure and shines like nothing we have ever seen, we are in awe. We are setting there and we hear a voice saying that we will be a beautiful work of pure Gold that will shine as much as the One we saw before, our creation has started. We are excited now, this will be great.
Suddenly we are being hosed off by water, we don't like this, this is bad to us, it is not natural to have this happen. We ask why?, why?, why could we not be left alone? We were comfortable with the dirt we liked it, it was natural to us. Then we are left alone to dry and we look at ourselves and though we can see some gold and a few shiny spots, we realize we are still dirty. Suddenly we are hoisted into an intense heat, it is more painful than anything we have ever experienced. It feels like our insides are being ripped out, we are being reformed. Things that were a part of us is slowly leaving us, we don't want to give them up but as they go we start to feel cleaner. The heat of the fire is overwhelming and we cry out for it to stop. We don't want to give up the impurities in us we fight to keep them, but as we become cleaner we feel better. We are removed from the heat and suddenly we realize that we have become as pure and shiny as the Gold we saw before and we hear a voice saying that we are finished. We have been created. We are pure, we no longer want the impurities and don't even remember why we wanted them in the first place.
That gold is us, we are being created strong and pure like Christ. The impurities (our idols and sins) will be gone someday. Your all's impurities and sins may be different from mine and I am learning not to judge others. And I don't begrudge you your beliefs or struggles, but I can read God's word and He tells us what is not pure.....
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, or thieves, those who are greedy or drunk, who use abusive language, or who rob people will not inherit the kingdom of God"
That is one verse in Corinthians, there are many verses that tells us where we are not pure, where we are failing. None are pure and all of us fails. Again I will not judge or condemn anyone's failings as mine are probably worse, but I will not justify an impurity as being pure.
And now I've come full circle, an idol of our heart is when we cannot accept or see our failings and then look to justify them and declare them just. That is wrong and something we all need to guard against. If anyone is dealing with or struggling with or even comfortable with their impurities, I will not look down on you or condemn you, I will be your friend, I will give a hand to help you. However I will not lend an ear to your justification of sin. Craig
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This is the thing Craig. I am not telling you or anyone else to sin. Your doing a good job of it on your own. I am not feeling pricked in my heart either. Nor am I under any illusion that I am holy or don't struggle with the beast. I shared some thoughts and you and others feel the need to keep lecturing on and on. If you feel comfortable and your conscience is clean, then so be it. If you think I attacked the messanger then what do you think your response and others was to me? But of course you believe your in the right! So it's ok for you to correct me right. But have you not taken note to my repeated comments that I'm not justifying sex or the matter I am speaking of is different than the carnal act. How many posts do I need to get the point across? I'm not intimidated and don't feel the need to run away. Nor do I think people leave just only because they feel pricked in the heart, people can leave because self righteous people can stink worse than pigs. Speaking of I need a bath. ;D
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