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Ray's mobile conference 2008 about Genesis
Revilonivek:
I just read Ray's audio transcript of the mobile conference 2008. I want to make sure I understand about the genesis part of 6 days creation.
I knew there was something wrong with the Genesis story because it doesn't quite add up according to Christendom. It just didn't make sense.
I was aware of bad usage of translational words when it comes to English from different languages because of Noah's flood story.
For example, about Noah's flood, Christians take the word "earth" and assume it means ALL Land OF THE WHOLE WORLD. But really the Hebrew word used for "earth" in English is erets. Which should be translated to "land" not "earth". I looked up the scriptures with the word Erets, it is used to refer to a locality-it shows that "erets" was used to show specific lands: "The whole land [erets] of Havilah (Gen. 2:11)," “whole land [erets] of Ethiopia” (Gen. 2:13), "the land [erets] of Nod, on the east of Eden" (Gen. 4:16), Famine at the time of Joseph affected "all lands [erets]" (Gen. 41:54).
and there is no way an ark can hold all kinds of species of an entire world- there are too many. and there are animals that are native in other countries, not found in the area where Noah lived. for example, Americas, Australia, Germany, and so on. In their minds, these worlds do not exist. They haven't even know about them. and its all bout perception. they had no idea of a global planet at the time- there were many other "worlds" yet to be discovered.
scriptures has proven many times that God has come down to their level many times when dealing with them.
A christian friend said something about Continental drift when we talked about the Noah's flood story. I told him There's no way Continental drift changed that much in the last 4,000 years compared to what it is now. Trees cannot survive under water for 10 months either, especially in salt water. I told him that if it was global. all trees would die. I told him to take in account of plants and vegations, fruit and so on.. they cannot survive under water for 10 months either. fresh water fishes couldn't survive in salt water either. They found old trees with 10,000 rings that had no evidence of a flood. He still insisted that if the scriptures say ALL, it means ALL flesh died. He then talked a bout how God is absolute and when he said it, he means it.
I can see that He is a very dedicated christian, a hardcore, and afraid to let go of the doctrines of men out of fear. I know he means well. He is just afraid to trust something from what he "knew" all his life. I don't blame him. I blame the doctrines of men for messing good people like him.
So anyway- to the point with the 6 days creation part, Is Ray trying to say is that God did not create the earth in 6 straight literal 12 hours/day sequence in the literal sense of one week? But ray is trying to emphaize that it took him about 6 days "worth" of work? But not saying which days he did which. He just worked one thing and let it come to fruition, then worked the next phase whenever the first one came to fruition and was ready for the next phase? I am trying to make sense of it. Thanks so much
Craig:
--- Quote ---He still insisted that if the scriptures say ALL, it means ALL flesh died. He then talked a bout how God is absolute and when he said it, he means it.
--- End quote ---
Ask this friend what he says about
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
and
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Depending on his answer you can decide whether to continue or shake the dust from your feet.
Craig
thetruth:
Hello,Craig
GOOD ANSWER MY FRIEND!
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thetruth:
Hello, Revilonivek
Hope this helps some.I think we must always keep in mind that A DAY IS AS a thousand years to the Lord.A day in Scripture can mean thousand years in Scripture.Any way my friend I attached this so it may help some God bless.
We’ll see the foolishness of such heretics as this, they have not a clue as to where they’re talking about.
“In the beginning God had created the heavens and the earth.” We know from science it’s at a starting point and spread out. We know from the scriptures it started with God and spread out. Not only spread out, but it’s still spreading. Those words are still in the future tense. God is spreading and science tells us that the universe is today, it is spreading. Now we know how scientists figured that out, but how did the writers of the scriptures know that? How could they look up at the starry skies at night and say looks to me like it’s spreading out, at millions of miles an hour? There is no perception of movement at all, except as the earth twists.
So what God created was, everything that was necessary for what He was going to make. He did not create the heavens and the earth in six days, as this person tells us it says in Exodus. It does not.
In Genesis it says, “in the beginning God created,“ the word is bara and it means to bring in something new, something really new. In Exodus 20, it says “for in six days God made…” First of all, even the translators knew not to put create. They put “created” in Genesis 1:1, but not in Exodus 20:11. Why didn’t they put, for in six days God created the heavens and the earth? Because He didn’t do that in six days. Then what did He do in six days? He “made” the heavens and the earth. What’s the difference? All the difference in the world.
In Genesis 1:1, He brought into existence everything that exists in the universe. From day one through day six He formed all of that into everything as we now see it in the universe. Two totally different operations. Totally, totally different, they are not synonymous.
The word bara (created) and the word asah (made) are two different words and they mean two different things. In the beginning He created it all, it was all there. But it wasn’t until certain things transpired before He began His work of asah.
We reach something very interesting.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested (just means He stopped) from all His work which God created and (to or for) made.
Now that is a horrible translation there. The “created” and “made” are okay, but not the word “and.” There is no word “and” in the Hebrew there. …which God created that’s bara, and the word “made” is asah. God blessed all which He created, it should be ‘to’ or ‘for.’ That word should always be translated to or for, not ‘and.’ All that God created to make or if you wanted to say that He created for making. You would never learn that in a million years reading the King James Bible.
He did two things in Chapter one. He created the universe and then ‘for’ six days, not for in six days. That word ‘in’ is not in Exodus 20:11, for in six days. No, for six days, period. Not for in six days. For six days then He did something else. What did He do? He made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that in them is.
Exo 20:11 For six days the LORD made heaven and the earth and the sea and all that in them is…
Are you seeing it? In a sense, in Genesis 1:1 He made all the raw materials of the heavens and the earth. In the six creation periods He fashioned it - molded it - built it. Verses 1 and 2 have absolutely nothing to do with that happens in verses 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and so on.
Revilonivek:
yes, i mean't to say 6 periods, 6 phases, 6 steps into completing the creations. is that what he did instead of 6 12 hours day creating the heavens and earth?
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