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indianabob:
Hi again Denise (Revilonivek)

I love to discuss these thoughts and hope that you will love my remarks just as much.

I'm not a Darwinian evolutionist, but I believe that species can adapt to their environment and can demonstrate variations within the species.
On the ARK there could have been one pair of dogs that could have developed variations in coloration, size, habits etc. This idea does not require changes in the genetics of the species. There exists in nature a genetic device labeled "Cryptic Genes" which only means that the species had the ability to adapt from the point of their creation by having the environment turn on already existing specific genes as needed. Polar bears are just white colored brown bears. They can be induced to interbreed in captivity although it is evident that part of the adaptation included a gene change or switch that would limit interbreeding. The whiter their fur the better chance the cubs had to survive the attack of predator wolves and to then reproduce offspring that had more white fur genes. This variation is accomplished by cattle breeders and sheep breeders without any scientific understanding and takes several generations of only three to five years.
For example fresh water fishes could adapt to a gradually increasing salt concentration in the oceans that "may have been" predominantly fresh water until the run off of streams and rivers on land led to increasing the mineral content. Salmon are an interesting study in this regard.
For example the Dead Sea near Jerusalem became salty because there was no outlet for the incoming fresh water other than evaporation. There is no evidence that the Dead Sea was always salty.

Of course there is the water that came up out of the ground when the skies rained for 40 days. The water from the "great deep" may have already been mineralized to some extent just as pumped well water in a virgin territory is today.

As far as I know at this time, tree rings on the oldest examples we have to test are from the Sequoias in California which were in 1955 estimated to be 4000+ years old. Doesn't that fit with the flood event?
Regarding seeds being distributed all over the earth in time to provide trees for the descendants of Noah to find, we have bird dropings from birds that range from Northern Europe all the way to South Africa in an annual migration. We have winds that lift and distribute leaves and seed pods for hundreds of miles every year. We have insects that survive under ground for years and come up with the change of seasons. There would be no real reason to doubt that new forrests could not be created in one century over the entire expanse of the sphere of the Earth.

How would we find evidence of a flood in the tree rings? If a tree died during the flood and was uprooted it would just remain as it had been when it ceased to grow and when we found the tree in an excavation centuries later it would be as it had been unless it was mineralized by laying in open water.

Regarding Exodus 10:5 the discussion is not about a flood of the earth it is about the locust covering the land where the people stood looking down. It is about the locusts being so thick that the earth or dirt could no longer be seen for the number of or the thickness of the locusts.

"and they shall cover the face of the earth, that one shall not be able to see the earth: and they shall eat the residue of that which is escaped, which remaineth unto you from the hail, and shall eat every tree which groweth for you out of the field:"

So for now that is enough to comment upon.
I'm just saying that we should be cautious when we share our ideas and perhaps reference the English translations of Bible verses that are not necessarily valid when taken out of context.
I do appreciate your bringing up the topic it is interesting and fun to share our ideas on the forum and I stand ready to correct any mis-statement that I may have written on this topic.
Kindly offered, Indianabob

musicman:
So if it took God six days to create the earth, what pray tell was He doing at night?  Sleeping?

indianabob:
Hi Musicman,
Apparently when God is working He keeps the earth rotating so that he gets things done in spite of the darkness on the back side. It's always light where God is.

Bob

Revilonivek:
Hey Indianabob-

 :) I mentioned earlier in the above post, there's no way to be 100 percent sure. I mean, Let's rewind to 4,000 years. You had no clue to a global world- Other races had no clue of a global world either. no computer, no fancy telescope, no camera, no telephone,. Not everyone was educated about Math or science. Women had no rights. everyone can be easily stoned to death if not careful back then. beliefs about religion was touchy. And you only know of lands you know that existed. It may seem like all to Noah back then.. But later, as more and more lands were discovered after Noah's time. The point is. it may seem like the entire world to him, like it did many times to other people in the scriptures but turned out to be limited areas that was known at the time in other places in scriptures that seem like the entire world to them. Make sense?

The flood story could be a dealing between God and his conveant people, because it is clear that the nephilim survived the flood. Numbers 13:33.

You mentioned about the locust. They wrote that locust was all over the earth, but it was clear that it was referring to a limited area or an entire known area. I was simply pointing out that the words they use to refer to earth, face of the earth, the world, etc doesn't always mean the whole global planet.

About the trees- Google up the tree in Sweden, its found to be around 10,000 years old. It beats the one in California, The one in California was close to 5,000 years. Which means it existed before Noah's flood.

But Maybe this Noah's flood story and everything they did  in old testament is one of the elementary teachings that we need to learn from, grow and put away their  carnal ways and go on to mature things like searching  and adopting the Christ mind. These things are one of the former things. Learn from their mistakes and go on grander things like unconditional love.

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