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gmik:
fun thread!
I still wonder what the Universe is expanding INto??
Can we still call it the Universe if it isn't universal-if there is more out there beyond the universe??
I don't really dwell/worry about any of this, but it is fun to think on once in awhile.
Has anyone seen or looked for the "Winter Football"? It is beautiful! find Orion's belt and go south to rigel (that will be the bottom point of the football-not soccer ball) Then "drawing" a football go to Procyrus, up to sirius then the twins Castor/Pollux now we come to the top point, the bright star Capella; going down now to Aldeberan and back to Rigel(which is 800 light years away) big red Betelgeus is north of the belt and not a "part" of the football but it is hard to miss.
sorry for Northern Hemisphereans only... ;)
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote from: Gina on January 31, 2012, 09:21:28 PM ---
Job 38:19
Where is the way where light dwells? ...,
Footnote: Job 38:19 How, except by divine inspiration, could Job have known that light does not dwell in a place, but a way? For light, as modern man has discovered, involves motion (wave motion). Traveling 186,000 miles a second, it can only dwell in a way.
And as we all know, Jesus is the way. Isn't that great?
--- End quote ---
Mind blowing! ;D
DougE6:
Hi John
I don't think it is argueing, mayber we are talking past one another. If the "balloon" inflated very quickly at the beginning, (inflation theory) space would appear flat(parallel lines would not meet) and our observable universe would be smaller than the whole universe itself. An ant siting on the surface of the balloon would see parallel lines are far as he could see. Truly, the fact that the balloon is increasing in its rate of expansion, that gives a flat geometry, as you pointed out, is correct. Using the balloon analogy does not mean I think the universal expansion is slowing down. I never said that. The balloon analogy remains a great picture to illustrate expansion. The point is, we are talking about the stretching of space itself, that is what we are talking about. That is the purpose of the analogy. Whether that stretching is slowing down, constant, speeding up (which appears to be the case) or variable, meaning early on it proceeded extremely quickly then slowed and now may be speeding up again (inflationary cosmology) is going to be debated for a whole long time.
I do not think man will get to the bottom of it. EVER. And yes, dark energy is only a theory, to try to explain the acceleration of this expansion...it is very mysterious, how this expansion is increasing! I love it, because it does show that no matter how deeply we probe into the well of knowledge, the well just keeps on getting deeper. This is clearly divine design, God intends man to struggle on and on in the area of trying to understand how God did it. Dark energy may be only a contrivance, or it may have a much deeper role, we do not know.
If we have any disagreement, it is only in your blanket pronouncements that people like Einstein are "wrong" I would say incomplete, but not necessarily "wrong". Evey piece of the puzzle does bring us evermore wonder and knowledge. The irony is, that what Einstein thought was his greatest blunder, the cosmological constant...we may be going back to that, in trying to get a model to fit all the observable facts. Einstein thought it was possible that the vacuum of space accelerated expansion but dismissed the idea. Now, that we know there is accelerating RATE of expansion, that the "balloon" is being filled ever more quickly, somehow, this amazing and overturning fact that is frankly as astonishing as the discovery of quantum laws 100 years ago...is going to make it more and more nebulous the HOWS and WHYS of the ultimate origin of everything. This is going to give some humility to man. Those that don't want to give God his proper place.
IMO, if Einstein was wrong, he was wrong about his attitude towards quantum mechanics "spooky actions at a distance" His words. He hated the fact that the quantum world seemed to have the paradoxes it actually does, but that is a whole different discussion.
DougE6:
My biggest personal observation to all this is that these mysteries are driving materialistic godless men to utterly more and more foolish conclusions, in order to sustain any disbelief in a Creator. The bubbling sea foam of an infinite number of universes, in order to help explain the how well this ONE works, is a growing fulfillment of the scripture "professing themselves to be wise they became as fools"
I personally have nothing but deep seated derison for those who labor under the pretense that all this came without a Creator. Maybe that is why I might share some of JFK feelings concerning Stephen Hawking. But I have never got that same sense about Eisnstein. So maybe I like Einstein more than Hawking. LOL ;D
Just my final thought on the issue.
Gina:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on January 31, 2012, 10:11:24 PM ---What we know as light is only a small section of the larger electromagnetic spectrum, which is part of the physical creation of God. God's light is not the same as the light we see. It's like comparing lightning to a lightning bug.
In the Book of Isaiah it states that God created darkness. Darkness is a created thing to shroud the true Light of God from our view, or It would destroy us.
And, yes, when we are born again, we will try to race a light beam and go faster than it. Why? Because it's there and we can. It's part of the spark of God in us. We will do things just for the fun of it.
--- End quote ---
Okay. You're obviously way smarter than anyone here, John. ;)
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