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''just another tread about money''
cjwood:
--- Quote from: Moises on February 01, 2012, 03:36:38 AM ---
One man considers himself rich, yet has nothing [to keep permanently]; another man considers himself poor, yet has great [and indestructible] riches. (Proverbs 13:7)
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don't see any holes in this tasty cheese fester. just sayin. :)
claudia
Akira329:
--- Quote from: Fester on February 01, 2012, 05:55:07 PM ---
I have been lurking in the bushes for some time now after reading this.
Am I the only one seeing the holes in this swiss cheese dissertation?
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Where are the holes? What are you seeing that others do not?
cjwood:
perhaps the pancake on fester's bunny's head is causing a shadow over the cheese. ;)
claudia
Gina:
This is a great thread:
Moises wrote:
--- Quote ---There is many reason why the world (including their banks, politics, churches, and marketers) want to scare us.Fear is one of the strongest appeals to get something out of us. But now we are becoming to know better. And not even social pressure, the mass media or our old taken for granted assumptions should make us any harm.
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Yes, we are starting to learn and coming to know much better how to handle or stand up to that social pressure so we don't suffer any harm, very true. Well put.
And I was thinking about this very thing tonight. Those institutions make people fear by telling them the clock is ticking on their opportunity to buy what they're trying to sell. "This deal is over in 24 hours. Time is running out!" As if there won't be any more opportunities or deals! As if the thing they're selling won't exist tomorrow. As if it'll never go out of style, never grow old, or rust. It's all in an attempt to get us to part with our money because people with money are considered by many to be more attractive/desirable, more intelligent, more trustworthy.
There is nothing at all wrong with being rich or having money. Remember, Abraham and Job? (The love of money is the root of all sorts of evil. Money isn't evil in and of itself. Money would be worthless if there weren't things to exchange for it.) It's when our hearts want things way above and beyond the necessities because we believe this will make us look better (pride of life) in the eyes of so many others.
Many see someone who has lots of expensive material possessions as better (more attractive, intelligent and more trustworthy) than themselves and others. Many people literally desire to know and be among people with money. Even though the poor God causes to be rich in faith.
You'll never see a poor televangelist with a following 40,000 strong. Not that I vote, but anyone ever see a politician wearing sweats instead of a silk suit with lots of backers? lol That's not to say that everyone who has money is dead set on doing evil (again, thinking of Abraham and Job).
But it's interesting the ways marketing companies get us to part with our money.
I watched a really good movie with Demi Moore and David Duchovny recently (about 25 times, Craig, lol) called "The Joneses." It's about a group of four people who work for a company called "Stealth Marketing." It's fascinating and the trailers don't do it justice (I think it may have bombed at the box office, but it should not have!).
They go undercover as a very rich family who can afford the best of everything. Stealth Marketing strategically places them in beautiful homes in very affluent neighborhoods. And their job basically is to "model" everything from cars, to clothes, to jewelry to food, but to make it look to their neighbors and "friends" like they actually bought the stuff fair and square. Consequently, their neighbors look to them as if they're "gods" and they become envious/covetous, which causes them to want the same things or better than the Joneses have (it's all about keeping up with the Joneses). Spoiler alert! One of their neighbors falls for their act hook, line and sinker and is easily talked into buying all kinds of expensive stuff just to impress his greedy, immature, selfish wife (because she's bored of him and he wants love nad affection, but she isn't giving him any). So he goes broke and loses the big, beautiful house he worked so hard to buy, he knows he's in trouble, and feels like a loser, but he can't bring himself to tell his wife what he's done (knowing she'll leave him for another man who does have money), and he drowns himself in the swimming pool in their big, beautiful, lush backyard.
The last couple years with the loss of jobs and everything, I've seen headlines that read: "Father shoots wife and three children and turns gun on self." But you read a little further and you find the man lost his job and was no longer able to feed his family and that meant everything to him. So, to "save face" he shoots them and then turns the gun on himself. Being in the poorhouse is so unattractive.
I rambled.
Bottom line, money isn't evil, but how we go about getting it and spending it can be.
acomplishedartis:
--- Quote from: Fester on February 01, 2012, 05:55:07 PM ---
I have been lurking in the bushes for some time now after reading this.
Am I the only one seeing the holes in this swiss cheese dissertation?
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Hi Fester.
Okay, I am listening. Please be a little bit more specific.
In case I wasn't clear enough, I apologize,
On the first tittle my main point is that we do not need money to start trying to live a piety live, You can read Ray's transcript called ''QUALIFYING FOR RULER-SHIP WITH NO LEADERSHIP, MONEY OR TALENTS'' and you will see that we are talking about the same. It might not be an easy concept to accept but it is the truth.
On my second tittle, I am just talking against greed, including the sordid desire to become rich,
''Now, those intending to be rich are falling into a trial and a trap and the many foolish and harmful desires which are swamping men in extermination and destruction.''(1Tim. 6:9) Concordant Literal New Testament
I don't think you will dare to defend greed. If you see holes in that plain verse, oh well.
On the third tittle, I gave tree reason why to not worry about money and I also shared a personal experience.
(tell me which one of the three reasons you don't agree with)
On my last tittle I quoted Paul, actually that was one of my favorite verses. After that I said that God will judge us individually according to our works (I have a verse for that) and then I dared to suggest that we should make a list of what we can come to consider our personal basic needs with the purpose of helping us somehow to stay away of covet.
Let me know where do you see the holes... I don't know the main intention of your comment, actually I don't even know about what are you talking against. This is why I made a short resume of my long last posts.
Fester, If what you mean is that the whole subject could expand and get more examples and subtopics, I agree, however, I tried to make it as short as I could for the forum. I believe I know what I am talking about. I understand some of this specific concepts might be too much to assimilate for many of us, however, they are all true.
Moises
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