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Jesus: "the CREATED of the Father"
lilitalienboi16:
I found this discussion extremely edifying and grateful for it. I think I would be poorer for it not having ever happened. So thank you. I understand the relationship between the Father and the Son--I understand God--just a little bit better!
cjwood:
isaiah rocked! 8) just sayin. nice scriptures jfk. :)
claudia
theophilus:
Well said Kat and Craig! :)
Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind.
santgem:
--- Quote from: theophilus on August 19, 2014, 08:18:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: santgem on August 19, 2014, 02:09:21 AM ---The Father is the living God
The Son is the living God
Jesus is the living God
Jesus is the Son of the living God
How come Jesus be the Son of the living God when he is the living God?
The Father who is the living God and the Son who is the living God are one God, they are one living God!
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If the above is claimed to be true, then the term 'Father' is equivalent to the term 'Son'; and it is illogical to use both terms. yet the Father is GREATER than the Son.
I think we would all like to think that we got this figured out and and that we understand it. I think there is at least one piece of the puzzle that's missing. And for this reason, we can't thoroughly understand it, much less explain it to others. Just my humble and lowly opinion.
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Theophilus,
Greetings!
But -- in this let the boaster boast himself, In understanding and knowing Me, For I am Jehovah, doing kindness, Judgment, and righteousness, in the earth, For in these I have delighted, An affirmation of Jehovah. Jer 9:24
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Mat 16:16-17
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. Jhn 6:69
Jesus is the Son of God.
Jesus is the Son of the Father
Jesus is the Son of the living God
Jesus is the Son of God the Father the living God
Whence Jesus the living God?
ARE YOU AFRAID OF GOD?
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant (that’s Jesus Christ’s blood), wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
v. 30 For we know Him that hath said, Vengeance belonged unto Me, I will recompense, says the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge His people.
v. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Now did you get all of that? It’s saying that if you do something really bad you are going to be held accountable in this “fiery indignation and judgment.” Right? He says vengeance is mine “I will recompense, says the Lord. The Lord will judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Now who is this fearful living God that it is so fearful to fall into? Well it’s “the LORD that shall judge His people.” We just read it, it says so. Right? Well who is that?
John 5:22 For the Father judges no man…
Guess what it’s not the Father. Here we thought it’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God and it isn’t the Father. Nope. It’s the judge. Who’s the judge?
v.22 …but hath committed ALL JUDGMENT UNTO THE SON:
That’s the Judge.Acts 10:42 And He commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is He which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
Rom 14:10 But why do you judge thy brother? or why do you set at naught your brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat, (Of God the Father? No…) of CHRIST.
Acts 17:31 Because HE hath appointed a day…
Who is the “He “ here that has appoint a day, who is that? [Comment: God the Father.] At last, apparently so. Apparently now we have the Father, it doesn’t say so, but apparently so.
Whenever you have a Scripture that is contrasting the Son with somebody called God, then you probably know that is His Father who also bares the title God.
Act 17:31 Because He (God) hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness BY THAT MAN (Who is “that Man”? JESUS.) whom He hath ordained.
So after all, when we read all that in proper context, it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living JESUS, isn’t it. Once more what do we prove?
John 10:30 I and My Father are one.
Jesus the living God is the Son of God the Father the living God
Rene:
--- Quote from: Craig on August 19, 2014, 12:10:33 PM ---There is nothing new under the sun, including the arguments, discussion and conclusions above.
8 “Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher.
“Everything is meaningless!”
All the rest is chasing the wind.
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There is nothing "meaningless" about seeking to know our God. We are commanded to love our God. I believe the more we know and understand about our God and Creator, the more we will love Him and that is a good thing. Keep seeking brethren! :)
Matt 22:37-38 - "And He said unto him—Thou shalt love the Lord thy God—with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the great and first commandment."
Matt 7:7-8 - "Be asking and it shall be given you, Be seeking, and ye shall find,—Be knocking, and it shall be opened unto you. For whosoever asketh, receiveth, and he that seeketh, findeth,—and to him that knocketh, shall it be opened.
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