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thetruth:
Hello again,Marques.Kat
Marques:--- The term 'breathe of life' is a metaphor for the spirit in all living creatures.
AHH.....Good stuff...Makes sense!
Kat:It's all of God and He works through His Spirit in all the ways that He needs to to bring about His plan.
Great Job Kat!.....I have a Special friend that so beautifully expressed this....Its all of God....to me last night.And its all from the view point in which we see the Mountain.
All things are of God...and all IS One...Its just SO importnant to be able to explain what ever you believe to others and of course be able to do it Biblically.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Gina on February 19, 2012, 10:47:11 AM ---Thanks, Marques. Now I feel even stupider. (Is stupider even a word?)
I was thinking the spirit that Paul was talking about was our "soul" or our consciousness.
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Gina, we are living souls [Ezek 18:4, 18:20]. Now with that knowledge, let's try to assume Paul was speaking of soul:
"For what man knows the things of a man except the soul of the man which is in him?"
Two things:
1. Seeing that we are living souls, you then have 'for what soul knows the things of a soul except the soul of the soul which is in him?'. Whether you choose to replace every use in this passage of man to soul or even just one, it still is redundant and does not make sense.
2. The second part of the passage seals it, as it talks about God :
1 Cor 2:11 ... even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
The scriptures have the same word in ancient Greek 'pneuma' which is always used to describe a spirit or spiritual nature. God's Spirit is always said to be the 'Holy Spirit', never the Holy Soul.
--- Quote from: Gina on February 19, 2012, 10:47:11 AM --- I thought the breath that God breathed into Adam was the same breath* that we all are given, but that our souls are what are unique -- not our spirit. I didn't realize our spirits are unique -- isn't that what you said? It's like everyone's bodies (DNA) are knit together differently/uniquely, and the spirit simply is what makes our bodies animated/come to life -- whereby we become a "unique" living soul. I mean, to say that the spirit breath is unique for each individual would be like saying that the electricity that makes my hairdryer operate is different from the electricity that makes my stove turn on. Or something ... like that. :-\
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We can only take the metaphor of likening our spirit to electricity powering a device only so far. Remember, the little girl from Luke 8 who was brought back to life [Luke 8:49-56]. 'Her spirit' is said to have returned to her.
As Paul said, what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man? So the spirit KNOWS the person it indwells. My spirit doesn't know you in this same manner, as yours does not know me. That makes it unique.
--- Quote from: Gina on February 19, 2012, 10:47:11 AM ---_________
Edit: * Ecc. 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
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Yes, us and animals literally have 'one breath'. After that one breath stops, there is nothing we can do to have another. But the 'breath of life' is a metaphor. Not the same thing.
Hope this helps,
Marques
thetruth:
Hello.Bt
Glad i asked this question,The further it goes the more understanding is gained!Praise Jesus!
Gina:
Marques, Yes, there isn't any such thing as a Holy "soul." I agree.
Edit: But this is where I'm getting stumped:
The Lake of Fire - Installment XVI—HELL: Part C - THE ORIGIN OF THE ORIGIN OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT
When God puts your "spirit" (not your soul) but your spirit (which has no consciousness) back into another body (as in a resurrection with a new spiritual body
So, how can it be that the spirit knows when the spirit doesn't have consciousness? It can't know anything without consciousness. See why I'm all confused over this? Not upset or emotional, just confused. It's really not that big of a deal to me.
I don't mean to sound argumentative, Marques. You are a huge blessing to me and the other members of the forum. I pray you don't think that I'm making a huge deal out of this. I'm just a little curious, that's all my friend.
Thank you for your time.
Gina:
p.s. Here is another example of what I'm talking about:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,655.0/nowap.html
--- Quote ---Ray,
I am new to searching for my spiritual beliefs. I agree with you that we will not spend eternity in torture. My question is - I think I under stand the definition of reincarnation now. Are you saying that our spirit will become a new being? Maybe more than once until we ascend to heaven to be with GOD. I read that, are spirit will no nothing. Does that mean after one new life to the next our spirit will not remember any of the thing that have happened to us.
To me if we don't retain anything it would be pointless.
I am not saying that is what you meant I'm just asking.
I think every spirit is on a journey and will eventually be with GOD in the end.
I think our lives here are so we can learn feel and experience good and evil. When we are ready to go to heaven is when we learn that evil is bad and don't want it anymore so we can live eternally in good in heaven. Could you tell me your thoughts on this.
thanks, Aaron
Dear Aaron:
You are not paying attention to my writings. The consciousness is not in the body, and it is not in the spirit. The consciousness of man is in his soul, and his soul is resultant outcome of our spirit being united with a body. God breathed the breath and spirit of life into the man formed from the dust of the ground, and the man then BECAME a living soul. He BECAME conscious of his own being. At death we are no longer conscious of our being or our death. Our spirit must be reunited with a new body in resurrection before we will regain the soul and consciousness that we had before we died.
God be with you,
Ray
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(Emphasis mine.)
Ray said, "our spirit" in that last sentence I underlined, and that means the same thing as the breath of life--which has no consciousness. Anyway, that's all. ;D
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