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Punishment of the wicked
AK4:
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[quote ---Where did you get this kind of teaching from? 'Seem like an eternity of suffering'? Where do we read of the Elect wishing judgment on the wicked to seem 'like an eternity of suffering'?
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I knew someone will take this the wrong way. Please pay attention to all my words and notice i never said what what you implied--in all due respect.
First off i never said the Elect wishing Judgment on the wicked to be eternal. Notice i said i cried and prayed that it wont be that way and that since i know the plan of God and since that it is Love it wont be that way. I only implied that it may seem like that to them the same way it may feel to some of us in this lifetime that it is an eternity away--Jesus/ coming. (IT ONLY SEEMS THAT WAY)
--- Quote ---Too often, we ask 'how is God going to judge the wicked and unbelieving'...when the real question is, 'How will WE (God AND His Elect) judge the wicked and unbelieving?' ['Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? - 1 Cor 6:2]. Why would we do a complete 180 and go from loving thy neighbor to making our neighbor suffer for what 'seems' like an eternity?
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Yes i know this but i was expounding on it the way Ray asked the question and applied it to the scriptures. I never said anything meaning "go from loving thy neighbor to making our neighbor suffer for what 'seems' like an eternity". Please pay attention to all my words.
--- Quote ---I don't know what you saw when you prayed to God to show you this punishment, nor will I speculate. But I am curious why you didn't ask how YOU will be judging the nations and why you weren't shown what YOU will be doing. I think if you did, the answers would have been completely different.
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I have i just did not put any details in here so that this thread can not be locked. Hence i said "Well, not going into any details....."
Please look deeper into what i post. I said I know what the plan of God is. I didnt mention what i have been shown by God and Ray and this forum what the Elect will be doing but i do know, And that is what makes what i prayed for, after being shown what i believe, FIT everything that I have been shown believable and scriptural.
I knew there would be some who take this the wrong way.
AK4:
--- Quote from: Kat on February 20, 2012, 06:31:04 PM ---Hi Anthony,
As you, I have wondered about this as well. I think about how when a person dies, they will be raised back up with the exact way of thinking and beliefs as when they died. So they will face their Maker at their resurrection with whatever knowledge they had when they died. What will people think about what is happening? Will they be in sheer terror from their own wicked full minds with ideas of hell? Some certainly should be, but not all.
I can't help but wonder if people won't create their own degree of torment from the depth of evil they have in their own imagination? I mean I wonder if to the degree that the wicked minds dwells on or imagines evil, either in what is practiced, but also in what is believed/think is to the degree a person will be fearful of what could be in store for them. But it is likewise to that degree that a person would need to be purged. Thinking of it this way, it's easy to see how some will need to be cleansed more than others.
I can think that it will be a process with each individual having to go through life experiences of which they will have to be corrected and learn right from wrong. Of course it would seems that some would need to be dealt with harsher, as I do not believe that anyone would be allowed to be violent, I could see this as part of the work of the Elect. But it would be a life of these learning experiences to unlearn wrong and learn righteousness.
But whatever it will be like I know that God has it all worked out to take care of each and everyone exactly to the most minute degree with what is needed to correct and teach righteousness to every single human being in the very best way.
Just what is my part of my thoughts when wondering about these things.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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I agree. ;D Im so happy the Lord showed me the other side of the story. His plan, the Good "ending".
AK4:
--- Quote from: Gina on February 20, 2012, 09:47:09 PM ---AK4
This is the "bits and pieces" ;) that God has shown me regarding how the wicked will be judged. Have you had an opportunity to read it? It's very comforting.
THE LAKE OF FIRE - Part XII
GOD JUDGES THE WORLD IN A POND
WHENCE THE WORD LAKE?
Interesting word, this word "lake." The word lake in Rev. 19, 20, & 21 is "limen, which comes from Strong’s "[#3040--limen] (through the idea of nearness of shore); a POND (large or small) -- lake."
And the word limen means "a harbor—haven, the fair havens" (Strong’s Greek Dictionary, p. 151).
A pond? God judges the world in a pond? Yes, God judges every unrepentant, unbelieving, wicked person that has ever lived (billions and billions and billions of people) -- The WHOLE WORLD OF HUMANITY (who are not in the first resurrection) in a " pond." ...
Is not even the definition of this word and its root, comforting? And so even in this most solemn setting of God’s judgment there is a hint of safety and security.
Keep reading: http://bible-truths.com/lake12.html
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Please read the post to Marques. Ive been with US for years and yes i know the elects purpose thanks to God. Im so glad it is not the way they (babylon) think
arion:
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Does God ever change?
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
It was/is God's goodness to each and everyone of us whom he is working in to show us the truth about 'eternal torture' and the rest of the teachings of the church. If God's goodness towards us have lead us to repentance will it be any different during Christ's kingdom on earth?
Where is the angst of the wicked going to come from during the judgment?
1Jn_3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
What if mortal human beings still in their sins are resurrected and stand before those who were once as they still are, but are now shining, resplendent and sinless like their Lord is? What if they are condemned by their own hearts as to how filthy they still are? What if those who have sinned the most have the most stripes to bear in their own hearts? What especially about the religious which totally misrepresented Christ and the Lord to the world?
Luk 12:47-48 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten[chastised] with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Personally I think most of the suffering will be mental and emotional. If it is suffering now for the wicked to sit in a church of Babylon and listen to the sermons what about when they are confronted with true purity? imo fwiw
Rene:
--- Quote from: Arion on February 21, 2012, 05:43:44 AM ---Where is the angst of the wicked going to come from during the judgment?
1Jn_3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
Luk 12:47-48 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten[chastised] with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Personally I think most of the suffering will be mental and emotional.
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This is what I believe too, Arion. As Ray has stated on many occasions, there is nothing worse than a guilty conscience.
René
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