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cjwood:
well, not sure about a brazilian portuguese translation, but i know that our forum brother moises, and his cousin beto, have been translating the lof series into spanish. can brazilian portuguese speak espanol?
claudia
p.s. bet you are a little pumped that the next world cup is in brazil!
Dave in Tenn:
Hi Levy. Every 'house built on the sand' seems to 'fall' in it's own particular way. Hang in there with your study. I think you know that the act of translating will make you think more deeply than someone casually reading, no matter the language. I'd encourage you to do as the Lord leads in that regard, but be careful in presenting these truths. We're not just called on to 'have an answer' but to give it to whosever asks with meekness and fear. A lot of people believe they can argue Doctrine, but are neither waiting for someone to ASK nor delivering it with meekness and fear.
I don't know if that is your attitude, but it is a very common thing for people hearing the Truth to want to rush out and tell everybody. If that doesn't describe you, then never mind.
You ARE here, so this teaching at B-T is FOR YOU. Get as much of it 'inside' you as you can, and when the Lord causes your friends and associates to ask, it will spring out of you without so much pumping.
Again, apply this advice to yourself ONLY if it fits. It's good to meet you. Welcome to the forum.
levycarneiro:
Hello friend Dave!
Wise words. It got me thinking a lot...
I'm not trying to argue doctrine, but I certainly wanted to spread it out as soon as possible. But I've been learning that it doesn't produce any good fruit to share the truth with anyone that is not interested yet ("who has believed our message?"). Besides the potential persecution that might result...
It's so hard to know something that wonderful and not having opportunities to share it...
I really liked your signature verse:
"Heb 10:32 But you must continue to remember those earlier days, how after you were enlightened you endured a hard and painful struggle."
God bless,
Levy
Dave in Tenn:
Hi again, Levy. I'm glad that your heart is in a good place. Live Godly, and you will suffer persecution. I can just tell you from my own failures that there is a difference between persection for living Godly and something-that-feels-like-persection from being a jack-a@@. I hope and know that you will live the difference.
God bless you in your translation efforts. They will bear fruit in YOU, I'm certain, just because they will make you think harder. You ARE in a unique position being in your 'world' where most of the people around you will need to be reached in Portuguese. The forum is here for many reasons, one of which is the occasional 'boost' when Ray may have you momentarily stumped. :D Just knowing what IS true eliminates a lot of error. I think your original question is like that. That's why it can't be answered glibly.
Do good.
lderr:
--- Quote from: levycarneiro on March 19, 2012, 06:46:16 PM --- God will provide, I'm sure He doesn't depend on me (amem!) and for sure I or someone else will be able to translate if not all, at least some of his papers to Brazilian Portuguese for other brothers here to learn.
--- End quote ---
Levy, have you ever tried Google Translate? If you copy a chunk from Ray's writings into it and translate it to Portuguese, how well does it read? For example, here is what it did to your first post:
Olá irmãos,
Estive lendo e está sendo muito abençoada por Deus através da vida de Ray e ensinamentos.
Eu tenho uma pergunta ... Ray sempre fala sobre como todos os homens apenas morrer, e não ir tanto para o Céu ou o Inferno no momento da morte. Todos serão julgados (agora ou mais tarde) e purificado e salvo eventualmente. Ok. Como sobre o ensino (errada) de que há tanto o Céu eo Inferno e que as pessoas quando morrem, morrem, mas eles vão quer ir para o céu ou o inferno logo após o julgamento no Dia do Senhor? Estou certo de que há alguma contradição nesse ensinamento, porque por outros muitos versículos nas Escrituras que nós sabemos que não há inferno, mas como eu logicamente apresentá-lo um irmão em Cristo, amado, etc?
obrigado
Deus abençoe!
cobrança
Brasil
I don't know the differences between original Portuguese and Brazilian, but if it is understandable, that might be a way to present information from the B-T website to your friends.
For that matter, Google has a tool that can be put into a webpage that will translate it. Hey Moderators! Does anyone know if this has been considered for the B-T website? Or are there concerns that a machine generated translation may mis-state things?
For now, continue reading, continue learning,
Lewis
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