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Troubles about Paul now...real apostle or not?
arion:
Paul an apostle??
2Co 11:24-31 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not? If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Gal 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.
There are no contradictions between the writings of Paul and the rest of the apostles. The word of God doesn't contradict.
eggi:
Hi newgene,
First of all, Jesus Christ Himself chose Paul as His apostle:
(Act 9:15) But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he [Paul] is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Secondly, Paul was acknowledged by the whole church at Jerusalem as an apostle of Jesus Christ.
(Acts 15:22)
Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas,
May God bless you with faith in His Word.
Revilonivek:
Good Question-
It is something that we all have to study and see for ourselves. the Apostles never seem to live on their titles. Paul is the only one who constantly called himself an apostle and boasted that he received the gospel from God and no one else taught him. Even if he was with Barnabas, being an apostle. He never claimed on that title. Paul constantly did with his. You have to admit that he and James and peter weren't always on good terms. Paul called Peter a hypocrite, and later on.. James and his people confronted Paul because the jews who followed Apostle James weren't sure that Paul was sincere in his faith. Surely Alot of them were Jews He persecuted in his old days. He never apologized to them at all. he lied his way around. When he was arrested by roman soldiers and bought to high priest court. He denied himself and claimed himself as a pharisee to save himself. He was protected by soldiers as he moved away from Jerusalem. It's all in the NT.
The parts in Revelations and what Paul said in Timothy bothered me as well. We know that Epheus and many other churches are in Asia.
Jesus said to the church of Ephesus.
"I know your works, your labor, and your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars." Rev. 2:2
Paul makes this statement to Timothy.
"This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me." 2Timothy 1:15
Revelations also says...
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
Who knows...
Denise
arion:
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Who knows...
Denise
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Not to start a fight but a topic worthy of consideration is do we think that the word of God contradicts? If we do then we have some real deep problems on our hand. As Ray has taught us many times the word of God on the surface appears to contradict but when you dig into it and God gives us revelation we find that the entire word harmonizes from top to bottom. It might be very helpful to review the paper '12 God given truths to understand his word' on the front page. Specifically truth #10 where Ray teaches on the relative and the absolute when it comes to God's word. It may help to clear up some confusion on this issue. If Paul was not an apostle then we might as well tear out almost half of the new testament and then where does that leave us if we go down that rabbit trail? Leads us right back into Babylon friends.
GaryK:
--- Quote from: newgene87 on April 04, 2012, 11:17:40 PM ---And now it's making me question him. Never the Gospels, not My lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but Paul.
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2 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
--- Quote ---You can't let every wind of change blow you around like this. Take a breath, study, grow, don't let everything shake you up. Lilitalienboi16
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