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Did Jesus use the words Gehenna and Hades?
whyisthatso:
Gina, oh, I forgot.......I was born dirt poor, 6 of us kids, with an alcoholic father who abused all of us.
whyisthatso:
Gina, in case you are wondering about the 12-15 hour work day comment, when you know I have been in the forum all week, it is because I am on "vacation" this week, and work on my house and in my garage all week to late at night. Thats what I do when I take a vacation.....work. And today is no exception either. Just so would know.
David
Gina:
Well, David, I'm glad that you found us. I hope we can all work together to be the best we can possibly be for and to each other.
And with that, I'm out of this particular discussion. :)
whyisthatso:
Thank you Gina for your understanding. But I did not answer your other question about when I "left my first love"...and by that I understand you to mean when did I leave or come out of this worlds false apostacy. I didn't, because I was never in it. So I would like to know when did the litteral, physical church at Ephesus, the one that received John's letter personally, the ones that were meeting in secret in fear of their very lives, when did they leave an apostate system ? Oh, I know "anti-christianity " ( in place of christ ) was around then, but it was not organized to any point. And certainly not a world wide force. So what "love " did they leave.......their "first love" at that.
What I "hear" when I read the letter is Christ warning them of turning away from the TRUTH, and warning them to repent of it. This has been the problem with Gods "church" from the beginning and the ages since. They allowed false teaching (doctrine) to come in and accepted it as truth. Christ and all the apostles warned of this throughout the new testament. I know what you understand, but to leave ones first love is to leave the Truth . And I have done that defore, not as in a group, but individually, personally, as has all before. When we do that we leave Him (The Truth) and we leave "Love" ( what God is ). Then we must repent of it. " ...and God will send them ( the apostate system ) strong delusion, because they received not the LOVE OF THE TRUTH " They did not receive it because it was not offered them. They are deaf and blind, and are because God purposed them to be. They are in "darkness" as Kat commented. And I know God calls many out of this false system......like in Revelation when He told His servants to go out and beat the bushes, so to speak.
Sorry for the windbagging, I will leave you in peace.
Gina:
--- Quote from: whyisthatso on May 31, 2012, 06:51:28 PM --- Thank you Gina for your understanding. But I did not answer your other question about when I "left my first love"...and by that I understand you to mean when did I leave or come out of this worlds false apostacy. I didn't, because I was never in it. So I would like to know when did the litteral, physical church at Ephesus, the one that received John's letter personally, the ones that were meeting in secret in fear of their very lives, when did they leave an apostate system ? Oh, I know "anti-christianity " ( in place of christ ) was around then, but it was not organized to any point. And certainly not a world wide force. So what "love " did they leave.......their "first love" at that.
What I "hear" when I read the letter is Christ warning them of turning away from the TRUTH, and warning them to repent of it. This has been the problem with Gods "church" from the beginning and the ages since. They allowed false teaching (doctrine) to come in and accepted it as truth. Christ and all the apostles warned of this throughout the new testament. I know what you understand, but to leave ones first love is to leave the Truth . And I have done that defore, not as in a group, but individually, personally, as has all before. When we do that we leave Him (The Truth) and we leave "Love" ( what God is ). Then we must repent of it. " ...and God will send them ( the apostate system ) strong delusion, because they received not the LOVE OF THE TRUTH " They did not receive it because it was not offered them. They are deaf and blind, and are because God purposed them to be. They are in "darkness" as Kat commented. And I know God calls many out of this false system......like in Revelation when He told His servants to go out and beat the bushes, so to speak.
Sorry for the windbagging, I will leave you in peace.
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No, it's all good. Thank you. What you said makes perfect sense to me.
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