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Adam the " First Man?"
Dave in Tenn:
You are in good company here with free-thinkers. If there is anything about 'this group' of individuals that God has led here, it is that we are all different. ;D So welcome home.
Kat explained why we can't let all these differences boil over into debate. If I misunderstood what you were saying, well that's just what happens. :) It's evidence of why 'debate' on a webforum is not always productive. You say "image is conciousness". YOU may know what you mean, but what comes to my mind is something else. Round and round. Where's the 'center'? if it's not on something we mutually agree on or a discussion of scripture, there is no center. You still think image is conciousness, and I still don't know what you mean. ;) Either way, it's OK.
Do good.
mickiel:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on June 04, 2012, 06:50:16 PM ---You are in good company here with free-thinkers. If there is anything about 'this group' of individuals that God has led here, it is that we are all different. ;D So welcome home.
Kat explained why we can't let all these differences boil over into debate. If I misunderstood what you were saying, well that's just what happens. :) It's evidence of why 'debate' on a webforum is not always productive. You say "image is conciousness". YOU may know what you mean, but what comes to my mind is something else. Round and round. Where's the 'center'? if it's not on something we mutually agree on or a discussion of scripture, there is no center. You still think image is conciousness, and I still don't know what you mean. ;) Either way, it's OK.
Do good.
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Well I understand you. I didnot come here to convince anyone of anything, I was simply expressing what has been on my mind of late. I took no thought of wether the site had any recorded information on it, or if Ray had covered it before; I meant no harm. I didnot fully understand that you only rehearse or study what is already recorded on this site, but I understand that. Although I agree with everything I have studied here in the last two days, I am not limited to only what is here, but I respect what ways you have here. So out of respect for that, just consider this thread closed.
Perhaps I just don't know how to talk to " The people of God", or just what they allow to be discussed; I have never met Gods people before. You must excuse me, I have walked in the desert for so long, I have not known just how much is understood by those God is dealing with. Or even how wrong I could be in my own thoughts. In fact, I have never really physically met anyone who believes in the Salvation of all. And when I meet them online, the result is always the same; I say something that seems to rattle them a bit.
So I have walked alone. Still believing what they do, just seeing some things a bit differently. So perhaps there is no real home for me, but thats alright; its still good to have spent a few days with those who are not riddled with so much deception. Perhaps I visted at the wrong time, maybe the mourning of Ray has a few unsettled, he seems to have been a great teacher, I didnot know he passed until after I joined.
I get the chance to talk to God everyday, but not to those he is dealing with in truth. God does not talk back to me, so it gets quite lonely; and I am not so good with groups or sites who consider themselves people of God; can't figure out why, its just me I quess.
This head of mine just sees what it sees. I only hope what it sees is the truth, but I don't know; each has a path, and mine will perhaps always be alone. But I am used to it; I don't like it, but it is what it is.
Anyhow, Peace to you.
Gina:
--- Quote from: mickiel on June 04, 2012, 04:37:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on June 04, 2012, 03:37:54 PM ---But how do we know that all animals everywhere have no knowledge, or aren't conscious, of God? Because of the way we see them behave? Sorry to say but I've known dogs that behaved more humanely in certain ways than some humans.
I agree it's much too presumptious to say that all animals everywhere aren't aware of God in the slightest. God's aware of them. Think of the sparrows. You know what I'm saying?
And I don't know that God is "consciousness."
Consciousness is being awake, to know something (anything), being aware. That's all that consciousness means.
God's certainly awake and aware, but to say God is "consciousness" begs the question: Was there ever a time when God was unaware? Unconscious? Sleeping?? What woke Him up?
That's probably silly. I just like picking on the newbies, I guess. hehe. You make me think, Mikiel -- that's for sure and that's become my favorite past-time.
Tah-tah! :)
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Hi Gina,
I never stated that God was consciousness, I do believe however that the image of God is consciousness. I think when Genesis states in 1:26, " Then God said, Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness", well I think that means lets give Adam Consciousness, or the Spirit " In Man." Which I doubt very seriously that he put that same spirit in primordal man, or humans before Adam. Then he said " Let them " Rule" over fish, birds, cattle and over all the earth. And over the insects as well. In my view, Primordal humans didnot " Rule" over these things as we do now. In fact, some of the primordal animals were so big, they probally ruled over the humans back then; thats not far fetched to assume. I mean that makes sense to me. How are you going to rule over a dinosaur? Not without the weapons we have now.
I also do not believe animals are conscious of God, and I have never seen any evidence of that. I don't even view animals as being conscious, as we are conscious. One has to understand just what consciousness is; I quess thats another thread. There is no need for animals to be conscious, none that I know of. For example, here are some of the signs of consciousness; Religion, education, technology, government, festivals, sports, math, astrology, laws, transportation, language, interpitation of language, writting, spelling, the ability to see into the consciousness of another; and so on. Animals don't do these things. Oh there are freak examples of humans teaching and training certain animals to mimick these things, but they are not aware of consciously doing these things verbatum. Not in my view.
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Jesus Christ IS God. And in that sense, Mikiel, you most certainly did state that God is consciousness. Unless you don't believe that Jesus Christ (God's express Image) is God?
And with that, and based on what Kat and Dave said, I'm going to leave this discussion and go back to reading Ray's articles. There's so much I still have to learn from his writings alone.
Thanks, Kat and Dave.
Have a good night, Mikiel! :)
Kat:
Hi mickiel,
There is no reason why you should leave us over this, we always allows some leeway for new comers to this forum :) The way we set up the rules is so we would have a peaceful place for discussion and fellowship. Now I'm sure we all have our own studies on topics of interest and that is good, we need to spend time in personal Bible studies, meditation and pray.
There is just so much that has been written at BT and there is many level of understand you can gain, so if you reread you see things you missed the first time and you continue to gain a deeper spiritual understand. So it really is enough to have for our discussions here. I hope you will stay around a while and until you get more use to how this could work for you. Here are links to the different boards that you can check out if you so desire.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
mickiel:
Thank you Kat,
Oh I'll vist from time to time, but I quess I am not limited to just " Certain avenues of study", I need to be free in my scope and range, both in study and expression. When it comes to the knowledge of God, I cannot feed from just one plate or source where people are concerned. I cannot sit still under one persons teaching or understanding, but I understand those who are comfortable with such. I am used to gaining my understanding from the Spirit, even though I do not have it permanently within me. I take no pride in people, places and things in my involvement with the truth. The truth is larger than a person, a place, or the things we value so much. The truth cannot be contained here, but here can be a home for those called to a home, and the truth can be learned at home.
I quess I am still on the road.
I couldnot be comfortable with any type of confinement where the knowledge of God is concerned; because I understand that the truth can often only be a present truth, and knowledge can change and grow on you. Its happened far too many times to me. I remember reading in scripture that a time will come where Gods people will not need teachers or these comfort zones of knowledge, that the Spirit will deal with them directly. That crutch will not be easily taken away from some, but for me, I already am accustomed to learning on my own, which is perhaps a horrible " Church Attitude" or fellowship thinking; I only hope God helps me with that. I quess underneath I am just not attracted to the teachings of just one person.
Quess I am just weird like that. Anyhow the knowledge God has given here is robust and the important thing is that you love one another, and love Gods truth. I would like to settle in one place, but not under certain conditions. Thats just not for me.
Anyhow, Peace to you.
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