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mickiel:


Anyhow back to my path to the truth. I recall no longer being able to stomach the eternal hell punishing doctrine, and I was growing weary of the limited salvation doctrines. I knew something different was happening to my belief system. And it scared me. But I could no longer listen to these baptist sermons and swallow their teachings, so I left the baptist church in search of something that I could relate to in my new thinking. Even in my years in the baptist church, I was a rebel of sorts anyway. Always questioning their views.

I went to the 7th day Adventist, then on to Jehovahs Witnesses for a brief stint; then I stumbled upon the Worldwide Church of God in Alabama one year. I kind of liked it and joined. I was very attracted to the notion of being individually called and chosen by God, that really turned me on. You know, to be a King and Priest of God was a thrill beyond my wildest imagination and unknown potential. Unlike some here, my experience with Worldwide was a mostly positive one, they had some truth in my view. And I had very good fellowship while there. They believe themselves to be the annointed called of God; as many churchs do. And I understand that thrill.

But eventually my thrist was no longer satisfied by Worldwide, I began to disagree with many of their teachings, as the Salvation of all loomed more large in my belief. I was consouled many times by their ministers and even they could sense I was on my way out. Just not of their fold any longer. Perhaps different from some here, I do not view my time there as a waste, nor am I angry or bitter for having to go through those years, mainly because I miss the fellowship; being with people, as opposed to being alone. Oh I had my years of raging on and on about the deception in religion, but I eventually pointed that rage at myself, for not living as best I can to please God's view of how one should live.

Oh I sliced up many, many people on the internet in my headhunting years, I attacked Christianity everyday and opposed all religions on this earth. My rage was never quenched, it was only directed into other areas, as I learned to be honest about religions and my belief , I also had to be honest about myself, realizing the fact that I was not chosen by God, I was just so attracted to the thought of it. I had to understand that God was dealing with my mind from time to time, opening it to things, and thats what made me desire to blend in with others who I thought he was doing the same to. And Worldwide was my closest experience with what I thought was that blend. I was wrong about that. But I enjoyed my time there; I certainly did; leaving was heartbreaking for me, not because of doctrines and knowledge, because of people! I miss the people. The friends I made and enjoyed. The basketball I played, the women I dated; and so on. The senior citizen members I grew close to and served. Yeah, those were good times.

But I don't look back on the teachings there, I basically have just about forgotten about most of them. The journey to truth has a pace of its own, and I have learned more just looking into Gods word, and the occassional inspiration from his Spirit on my own, than I have with any group. I will probally never blend in with any group again, my belief is too far moved into left feild, as I have walked alone in left feild for so long. I have posted on forums all over the internet, not being able to contain my views within me, but I have asked God to help me learn to do that. Many times my views have gotten me banned from many sites, and some sites seem to tolerate me pretty well.

My path to the truth has been one riddled with many things, many troubles and pains. Many personal disapointments. But I thank God that I can see and believe in the glory of the Salvation of all, there is no greater truth in my view, no greater gospel.

No greater path.

Marky Mark:
If you all don't mind.


--- Quote ---Knowledge will increase, it will not be "renewed," as you said. And then it will vanish away.
--- End quote ---

Knowledge will vanish in such a way as to mean in opposition, distribution or intensity...[G2596].




1Co 13:8  Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.[G2596]
1Co 13:9  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11  When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

The knowledge of the Truths of God will increase when God Himself shall cause one to believe,through the Faith of,Jesus the Christ.

For clarifications sake, I believe Paul is speaking of a time when all that are in the Kingdom of God will no longer need in part the knowledge of God because upon the Spiritual conversion of all of his children His perfection will become complete and the Truth of the Spirit will then be known in whole to His people, and no longer just in part.

We shall see our Lord face to face, in all Truths, with one mind, with only the parts of His truth left to vanish,thus leaving  the whole Truth, of His parts. Being mature in the Word of God is the putting away of childish things and moving unto the realm of the Truth of the Spirit in the wholeness of Spirit,not just parts, but in the whole of His Truth.

All of our parts in our relationship with God will be... I shall know fully, even as I am fully known... unto His completion,not just in part, but unto His whole fullness of Spirit.

As Ray would say...we must read all of the words...not just parts..

Pun intended... :)


Peace...Mark

mickiel:


Those are good points Mark, I personally believe knowledge will continue to increase. I can see how some knowledge will vanish away; such as false knowledge concerning spiritual matters; things like how to make an atom bomb, how to fix a computer, maybe how to cook certain foods; such things will no longer have a need to be known, and simply vanish.

The increase in knowledge, I certainly hope means we will one day have answers about the things about God that we question now and just don't know. Things about Jesus. Things about other creations in heaven. The 24 elders, Angels and things like that. Unanswered questions about biblical history, I don't see God being against giving clarification about that. A history class in heaven about heaven?

With a thing like knowledge ever increasing, there maynot be any boundrys to the learning.

Gina:
"With one mind."  "Let this mind be in you."  I'm seeing it.  Thanks, Mark.

Marky Mark:
 
--- Quote ---I can see how some knowledge will vanish away; such as false knowledge concerning spiritual matters; things like how to make an atom bomb, how to fix a computer, maybe how to cook certain foods; such things will no longer have a need to be known, and simply vanish.
--- End quote ---

Hello mickiel.

The only knowledge that are Lord and Savior will have us to know will be the knowledge of Spirit and Truth. Everything that our old man adam stands for will be destroyed so that we can then be renewed into sons and daughters of righteousness. The flesh and all that we have come to know of it will have no worth in His Kingdom. Kind of like the butterfly disregarding the cocoon,its purpose served,if you will.

We must all die in order that we may live.The ultimate destiny of man is to put on the image of our creator in life and godliness.The old man must die in order that the new man in Christ may live.

Spiritual knowledge will be the only knowledge to life because the knowledge of flesh profits nothing.The deeds of the flesh are corrupt and have no life in us after our resurrection and Spiritual conversion. What will be renewed is renewed in knowledge after the image of him, that created him...

Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

2Co 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

 2Pe 1:4  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Col 3:9  Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
 Col 3:10  And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Peace...Mark





--- Quote ---"With one mind." "Let this mind be in you." I'm seeing it. Thanks, Mark.
--- End quote ---

You are welcome Gina...

Mark

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