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Kevin:
Joe I do believe you are correct.

Steve Crook:
Joe is definitely correct.

To Shoeman: most posters here, that truly seek Christ's face know there is nothing that is luck or chance, NOTHING. They don't exist because nothing is outside of God's Will and plan, NOTHING.

Steve Crook

jerry cabral:
With all these different words and meaning Im starting to understant the meaning of the Tower of Babel.  Praise God.

rvhill:

--- Quote from: Shoeman ---I get real tired of people telling me magic doesn't exist when they believe in God. So I ask:

What makes Miracle miracle and is it different then Magic? whats the true difference here? Are Miracles concordant with Nature or by their very definition do they go against all chances to things beyond normal nature?

You hear people all the time talking about how things are miracles because they had slim chances, but are they really miracles? Or are they just slim chances turning out? Where is the line drawn between divine interference and regular old chance and luck?

And is God a magical being? Does he classify as one?
--- End quote ---


I don't believe that God violate Natural law. It is his system, he made it. He can do anything he want with out braking his system.

Is it possible to stop the sun(earth) from moving?  What does Joshua 10:13 mean it is a good question we know now that the earth move around the sun. so does this mean that God stopped the earth and the moon? Maybe , or maybe he just made it seem to those on that field that it did.  Who knows the answer? Only God know.

broken:

--- Quote from: Shoeman ---I get real tired of people telling me magic doesn't exist when they believe in God. So I ask:

What makes Miracle miracle and is it different then Magic? whats the true difference here? Are Miracles concordant with Nature or by their very definition do they go against all chances to things beyond normal nature?

You hear people all the time talking about how things are miracles because they had slim chances, but are they really miracles? Or are they just slim chances turning out? Where is the line drawn between divine interference and regular old chance and luck?

And is God a magical being? Does he classify as one?
--- End quote ---


There are two primary differences between miracles and magic.

1. The power by which the action was wrought, and
2. The one to which the action is attributed and therefore the one glorified by the action.

If one were to undergo an indepth study of miracles in the NT, one would find that miracles were performed for one purpose: for the spread of the gospel and the glorification of Christ.  The book of John evidences that Jesus performed "signs" (semeion) and that those signs and his other "works" (ergon) testify to his identity.  

In the book of Acts, the Apostles perform miracles in order that they may point to Christ and thereby spread the good news of his salvation.  Peter refuses praise for miracles performed in his presence.  What is ironic is that people were praising Peter for the healing of a man whom was only touched be Peter's shadow.  Certainly, the fact that it was Peter's shadow had nothing to do with the power by which the lame man was healed.  Rather, God chose to perform that miracle in his timing so that Peter and the other Apostles could spread the gospel of Christ in that place.

Miracles are always wrought by the power of God and by him alone.  No man can take credit for any true miracle.  On the other hand, magic, by definition, is the subjection of some power (natural or supernatural) to perform acts.  Therefore, the subject and glorification of magic is always man rather than God.

As to the comment that God would not violate natural law, I would have to ask if the person making such an assertion really finds God to be that impotent?  If God created the natural order, then he must be outside of it and therefore capable of performing actions that break the order he set in place.  Miracles are things that do not[/i] happen naturally, not just that they may not or there is a high probability against them occurring; they, by nature will never occur naturally.

That's what I've got for now.

Brandon

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