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Miracle vs. Magic
rvhill:
--- Quote from: shibboleth ---Magic is simply a trick. The magician uses gimmicks and ploys, that he sets up, to fool people into believing something impossible has happened.
A miracle uses no such gimmicks and ploys. When Jesus turned water into wine, He had nothing but himself to do it. When He healed a blind man, the little girl sick, the man at the well and the epileptic, it was spontaneous. These healed people were known in their communities, and their friends and neighbors could vouch for the truth of their healings.
The so-called faith healers today do no such thing. Everything is staged and controlled. The faith healers have actually convinced people who could walk to run around the stage pretending to be healed. Peter Popoff had a hearing aid in his ear that his wife would talk into from another area. She told him peoples illnesses. These people had filled out cards before the show stating their illnesses. Did you know that some faith healers require you to have a ticket to come to their show?
Sure doesn't sound like something Jesus would do.
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I notice a big difference between faith healers to day and Jesus. Jesus always said if you have faith you can heal. The faith healers to day say if you have faith you will be healed. Do they even see the heresy they speak of?
Chris R:
What would you say these verses mean?
Mat 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Mar 10:52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
Luk 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luk 8:48 And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
Luk 17:19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
Luk 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
And of the faith of the soldier?
And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it]. When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, [so] be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour [Mat 8:6-13]
Chris R
rvhill:
--- Quote from: Chris R ---What would you say these verses mean?
Mat 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Mar 10:52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
Luk 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luk 8:48 And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
Luk 17:19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
Luk 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
And of the faith of the soldier?
And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it]. When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, [so] be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour [Mat 8:6-13]
Chris R
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Jesus spoke after the fact. The faith healer are speaking before fact. Jesus healed people using his own faith, the faith healers are claiming to heal people using the person, they are trying to heal, own faith.
ciy:
It is amazing how easy it is to get into confusion.
Jesus healed people by their faith. That is what the verses say.
By what miracle power did Moses staff turn to a snake?
By what miracle power did the Egyptian's staffs turn to snakes?
Keeping it simple is powerful.
CIY
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