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Gina:
But seriously folks.
I hope this isn't too much to ask, but would someone please help me make sense of this one little word "sold" in this verse:
Romans 7:14 KJV
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Some versions say "sold as a slave to sin," or "sold into bondage to sin."
How is Paul using the word "sold"? It's obvious it's not that we're literally "sold" into bondage to sin. Maybe he meant it like, we're sold on the deception and lies. or. something. like. that.
:)
Thanks everybody.
indianabob:
Gina,
I think it means that we are either slaves to sin or slaves to Lord Jesus.
bob
newgene87:
I'll take a stab at it. Well, to be "sold under" someone or something implies slavery. Learning about slavery during the time of the Roman Empire; slaves were sold all the time. Most times Sold "naked" :-[, just so the buyer would know what they were getting. Once "bought", they were "under" the direct "influence" and/or "power" of them. Now, Wisdom of the MYTH of Free Will is presented here, because as a slave of something, yea, you have the right to make a choice; but in that mindset, you are UNDER DIRECT INFLUENCE of your owner. So with Paul saying, "... I am carnal, sold under sin", He is implying, being carnal, we are under direct influence to sin. Paul gives us examples of Sin being impersonated
"But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence..." Rom 7:8 - Paul is showing us, sin finds OCCASION by the commandment to WORK in us to do the opposite of what we should do. i guess just the way it is. even since Cain... " if thou doest not well, sin (actually sin-offering) lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire" (Gen 4:7). Sin works in us.
And James 1:15 sheds some light too - "each man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. Then the lust, when it hath conceived, beareth sin: and the sin, when it is fullgrown (fully matured, fully developed) bringeth forth death."
Jesus said, "The flesh is weak..." and sin dwells in the flesh (Rom 7:17). and Paul even speaks of being "Servants to sin" --- "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death (Rom 6:16)
So my 2 cents. hopefully that helps some. And i believe you're pulling our legs. YOU KNOW GINA
i'll leave with this
"But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Rom 17-18)
That's why it's SO important to, "be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, Will of God." Rom 12:2
Eugene
indianabob:
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Gina:
You're funny Eugene! Tellin it like itis. I like it. haha I'm being totally serious , I promise. I can definitely see how you'd think that I'm not, though. [Insert image of innocent little girl with halo above her head here :) ] I'll try to tone it down.
Very good replies. But did I miss it? Who sold us into sin? Obviously we were ultimately (in the absolute sense) sold by God into sin. (For God hath concluded them all in unbelief [disobedience], that he might have mercy upon all. Rom 11:32)
Maybe I'm making too much of it. ::)
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