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Gina:
p.s.. And you're so right Eugene--the MYTH of free will is totally destroyed by that one verse in Romans alone. Ray reminds us that we are bound by the law of sin and death--it's a law (not unlike the law of gravity). We're forcibly held under it by our own lusts. I see what you're saying. And yet we are freed from the law of sin and death by Christ -- by the renewing of the mind. It's so much workkkk.
newgene87:
--- Quote from: Gina on July 10, 2012, 10:45:41 PM ---Very good replies. But did I miss it? Who sold us into sin? Obviously we were ultimately (in the absolute sense) sold by God into sin. (For God hath concluded them all in unbelief [disobedience], that he might have mercy upon all. Rom 11:32)
Maybe I'm making too much of it. ::)
--- End quote ---
Maybe Jesus can help us: "That which is born of the flesh is flesh.." (John 3:6). That's why he adds, "Marvel not that i said, you MUST be born again". So seeing that, we are born of the flesh, born fleshly, born into sin OR "Carnal (fleshly) SOLD under sin" - under it's influence, we must renew our minds. and not only are we "born" of the flesh or "sold" under sin; paul still simply says, "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey..." (Rom 6:16)''
soooooo "who shall deliver me from THIS body of this death, I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord... "Rom 7:25
Eugene
and thanks Gina ;D ;D
Kenneth Clark:
maybe we are sold from the beginning...adam
that dang woman eve bought the fruit and sold it to adam
i think gina might get a kick out of this...but seriously
Gina:
It's still a lot of work, Eugene. I mean, we have to wrestle -- the struggle sometimes is so tough that you always need to be on guard. Always. Thank God we have an Advocate, the Comforter, a Friend. I think I must be spoiled sometimes. I don't mean to sound like I'm complaining. It's just that one thought spun another. The struggle of the flesh. It's unrelenting. Still, I'd rather have this struggle than car trouble lol -which gives way to money struggles. That must be it. I'm totally spoiled. God is just so good to me. I'm not exaggerating.
Now I really sound like I'm bipolar.
Kenneth Clark:
in response to my above post...
maybe the fruit wasnt a fruit?
i speak simply
Kenneth
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