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Spiritual body seperate from flesh
Brett:
Hello,
I am wondering about the spiritual body are not include flesh and blood (another flesh)? After God raised Jesus from dead, His flesh was vanish (but not with decay or corruption), and then He appeared another form in Mark 16:12 is flesh? Because flesh and blood will not inherit kingdom of God same as Jesus' flesh cannot inherit kingdom of God (1 Cor. 15:44, 50)? I would be appreciate to share if you have knowledge of this.
Thanks! :D
Brett
YellowStone:
Brett, I have been giving your question a fair amount of thought. I am perhaps the least qualified to attempt to answer your question but I will try.
1Cr 15:42
* So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43
* It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44
* It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
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Just what is the spiritual body? Does it mean a non-material body? Maybe not. We read that the spiritual body is incorruptible, is glorious and powerful; imperishable.
What does Luke say about the spiritual body?
Luk 24:67
* And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.
Luk 24:37
* But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38
* And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39
* Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have[/i]. [/color]
Do you see the difference in these two scriptures? Jesus's body was raised as a spiritual body, a perfect non natural body. (1Cr 15:44) However, Jesus himself said that it had flesh and bones, something in which a spirit cannot have.
1Cr 15:50
* Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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So what is meant by Paul when he says that "flesh and blood" cannot inherit the kingdom of God? Could it be that "flesh and blood" is another term given to our earthly, natural and sinful bodies from our lineage to Adam? As Christ is the last Adam and his body perfect and incorruptible spiritual body then so too must we receive such a spiritual body, free from sin, death disease and all vices of our natural body.
I feel Paul supports this in his very next verse.
1Cr 15:51
* Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cr 15:52
* In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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Changed into what? A spirit? or a Spiritual body? What does Paul Say?
1Cr 15:49
* And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
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There you have it Brett, I will let you draw your own conclusions.
Comments welome and if I have posted something I should not have, I am truly sorry.
Christ is the giver of truth
Darren
rocky:
Does anyone know when do those in the LOF get their incorrupt, glorified, spiritual body???
Brett:
--- Quote from: YellowStone on July 25, 2006, 12:33:51 AM ---Brett, I have been giving your question a fair amount of thought. I am perhaps the least qualified to attempt to answer your question but I will try.
1Cr 15:42
* So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43
* It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44
* It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
[/color]
Just what is the spiritual body? Does it mean a non-material body? Maybe not. We read that the spiritual body is incorruptible, is glorious and powerful; imperishable.
What does Luke say about the spiritual body?
Luk 24:67
* And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.
Luk 24:37
* But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38
* And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39
* Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have[/i]. [/color]
Do you see the difference in these two scriptures? Jesus's body was raised as a spiritual body, a perfect non natural body. (1Cr 15:44) However, Jesus himself said that it had flesh and bones, something in which a spirit cannot have.
1Cr 15:50
* Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
[/color]
So what is meant by Paul when he says that "flesh and blood" cannot inherit the kingdom of God? Could it be that "flesh and blood" is another term given to our earthly, natural and sinful bodies from our lineage to Adam? As Christ is the last Adam and his body perfect and incorruptible spiritual body then so too must we receive such a spiritual body, free from sin, death disease and all vices of our natural body.
I feel Paul supports this in his very next verse.
1Cr 15:51
* Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cr 15:52
* In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[/color]
Changed into what? A spirit? or a Spiritual body? What does Paul Say?
1Cr 15:49
* And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
[/color]
There you have it Brett, I will let you draw your own conclusions.
Comments welome and if I have posted something I should not have, I am truly sorry.
Christ is the giver of truth
Darren
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Darren,
Thank you for your time to write with verses and good explain. One question, Jesus rise from dead and He has spiritual body but invisible because Spirit is invisible, then Jesus somehow become like physical so the disciples can see Him. He was not literal flesh and blood but look like a form of body so that disciples can handle Him or touch His body. Am I right understand?
Again, thank you for the help.
Brett
YellowStone:
Brett asked:
One question, Jesus rise from dead and He has spiritual body but invisible because Spirit is invisible, then Jesus somehow become like physical so the disciples can see Him. He was not literal flesh and blood but look like a form of body so that disciples can handle Him or touch His body.
Brett, all I know is what the scriptures state. :)
Luk 24:37
* But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38
* And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39
* Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Was Jesus lying? Did not Paul say that Jesus became a "quickening spirit?" There has been much contention regarding what happened to Jesus' body. How come the disciples could see and feel it. I have a hard time believing that Jesus deceived his trusted loyal followers. There must be more to a "quickening spirit?" than an invisible being/force.
Strongs Concordance (2227)
zoopoieo {dzo-op-oy-eh'-o}
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to produce alive, begat or bear living young
2) to cause to live, make alive, give life
a) by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate
b) to restore to life
c) to give increase of life: thus of physical life
d) of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life
3) metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing
I believe with all my heart that these words are to instruct us.
1Cr 15:42
* So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43
* It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44
* It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
That there was a body is a given, is it a natural body? NO! :)
Is it perfect, imperishable and incorruptible? YES!
Does it have flesh that can be touched? YES!
Did the spiritual body ascend to heaven? I believe so, but will stand corrected.
Rom 8:11
* But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you
Once again, comments welcomes
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