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Who will we be?
lderr:
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I think some of you are on he right track.
". . . then what will be the purpose of even having a gender? Male and female?"
Do the angels have a gender? I didn't think so.
What will life on the earth be like? Jerry, you point to Zech. 14. and that may be it, for those who survive Christ's return. But what about the resurrected?
I am curious about our world. I like to know how things work. Why they work. I would be content to know EVERYTHING about the universe. Will I still have that curiosity as a king and priest? Or is that something that will purged and refined away? The cares and concerns of this world may not be needed in a spiritual realm.
I can do little but wait and see. Until then, yes, I only have moments of JOCOPELO, until I am perfected.
What I read here, what I learn here, from Ray and others, is an immense help.
Lewis
Rob M:
--- Quote from: Lewis on July 22, 2012, 07:27:15 AM ---B-T post
I think some of you are on he right track.
". . . then what will be the purpose of even having a gender? Male and female?"
Do the angels have a gender? I didn't think so.
What will life on the earth be like? Jerry, you point to Zech. 14. and that may be it, for those who survive Christ's return. But what about the resurrected?
I am curious about our world. I like to know how things work. Why they work. I would be content to know EVERYTHING about the universe. Will I still have that curiosity as a king and priest? Or is that something that will purged and refined away? The cares and concerns of this world may not be needed in a spiritual realm.
I can do little but wait and see. Until then, yes, I only have moments of JOCOPELO, until I am perfected.
What I read here, what I learn here, from Ray and others, is an immense help.
Lewis
--- End quote ---
Lewis, what do you mean by "for those who survive Christ's return"? ..I'm still learning of such things!
Rob
Kat:
Hi Lewis,
We are all having varied life circumstances that occur in our lives and all these many different things that happen is creating us into all these unique individuals. So all this characteristic that we develop are important to retain so that people will have their individuality. But of course these personality traits are developed from a carnal nature and that will need to be corrected.
The elect were chosen before they were born and I believe their whole life is for them to be prepared for the place they will one day have as ruling with Christ. But everyone starts off in darkness an must be brought to the light (Jesus Christ). In this life the elect are given an earnest of the Spirit, but when they are born into the kingdom they will have a full measure as Christ does and that will give them all they need to serve God completely and perfectly as we know Christ did on earth. I think Christ after His resurrection is an example of what it will be like after the resurrection for the elect. Though Christ only appeared to His elect, but then the elect will be coming to deal with the corrupt world.
Now something that occurs to me is that not all those in the resurrection will need a lot of correction, think about John the Baptist and the Prophets, etc. I could see how they would serve a very important place physically on earth. Just something to think about.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
doug:
Alright Lewis! - I said that we could let our imaginations run "wild" (well, not that wild if you know what I mean!) on the topic that you proposed. (One of my favorite - & underrated - animated Disney characters is Figment... like in figment of imagination). You question... like I do... "what will we be like" in the resurrection?
I have to ask myself... why would we be like angels in the Kingdom Age? God already has angels so why would He want similar beings? Scripture says only that we will not be "marrying" like the angels do not marry, not that we will be like angels. By the way, I believe the KJV & others have miss translated angels many times, as the word for angel is "messenger". Angels are or course messengers, we as God's chosen are messengers, and Christ is THE messenger. Depending on the context, I think many times angels should not have been used in a verse. Just sayin'.
Also I strongly believe that in God's "heavenly host" in which a verse in Ephesians describes as the principalities & powers of the heavenlies, are in part Jesus and the angelic host and the totally separate beings.... the Sons of God. Imo, the Sons of God are not humans or angels, but separate intities in the heavenly host of God's Family. That's a whole nother topic and would take a lengthy paper for me to describe and try to prove that point.
That being said, I also hinted above with the comment that I may be reading too much into the verse that we will not be marrying in the Kindom Age. That is true. Human marriages that we have today will be totally eliminated for the elect in the resurrection. But does that also mean there will be no sexual relations? No, I don't believe that it does. I believe that we will be fully functional for that - and that our individual genders will not be lost.
Let me explain. In Genesis God gave our marriage arrangement certain curses because of our sin. (God's sovereignty of course). In each marriage that the bible sanctions there is a social curse given to each woman and the curse was never rescinded. And what is that curse? "Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in sorrow shall you bring forth children, and your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you." Gen. 3:16.
I could give extensive evidence of women being treated like chattel in the OT and how women were, and still are, to be under subjection in the NT churches. This arrangement will not take place in the resurrection of the elect saints.
What Paul recorded in Ephesians states that each individual believer, whether male or female, rich or poor, young or old, slave or free will sit on the right hand of the Father in Christ (spiritually) in an equal and superior status. In the resurrection we will not be subjected to all these laws concerning marriage. There will be no curses or carnality between a man and a woman. Women will no longer be subjected to the slightest inferiority to males in the Family of God. This means that the curse with being associated with a female and especially in being a wife in marriage to a human male, will disappear.
We will be Sons and Daughters and Children of God with sexual desires as we have seen demonstrated in the bible with angels not subject to the same marriage rules of ownership that humans are commanded to keep. I believe we will have intimacy with each other but only within the framework of the sanctity of God. I could go on with more detail in my view on how God will work this out but I will stop here. I will let Figment work on your imagination!
I am trying to emphasize though that we as the elect will all keep our norman shapes and forms. In my view, the bible teaches the resurrection of the body, not simply and solely the resurrection of the spirit. The spirit is something that will be placed in the body that makes it alive and active once again! And so therefore, in the resurrection, all bodies have functional sexual features.
Now please! hold back on dissention because what I have described is purely speculation. But, I also believe what I have described in "what we will be like" is close to being accurate in my assumption and that I have logically put forth a good assessment to my biblical understanding.
Something to ponder....
doug
Kat:
Hi Doug,
I don't see where there will be a place with God's chosen elect for any kind of physical/carnal relationships whatsoever. I can see how a carnal mind will imagine, desire and want there to be sex in the kingdom of God, but sexual relations are for the flesh and not for the spiritual. As the elect will be born into the kingdom and will be given glorious spiritual bodies, which I believe will be pure bliss and the carnal flesh will be left far behind and there will be no need for any of the physical pleasures we once needed.
While Christ was on earth, though He was in the flesh, even then He was totally consummed with doing the Father's will and never seemed drawn to the desires (sexual) of the flesh, as even to think of a woman that way would be a sin. I think that will be the same for the resurrected elect saints. After the resurrection the elect will also be totally consummed with doing the Father's will and this will not be at the cost of our own personal desires, as some make be thinking. I believe when you are completely joined with the Father as Jesus Christ is and become one as they are One, so His will becomes what you desire and to serve God and do the work of continuing His plan. The glory the elect will know at that time will be so wonderful that the physical things will have no temptation to them whatsoever. IMHO.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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