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lilitalienboi16:
Thank you Kat. Wisdom indeed. I am blessed by your post as you know where I find myself, this is a big struggle for me lately.

I showed a classmate how the lake of fire wasnt eternal, that it would end, and she finally saw it, but only to arrive to the conclusion that God's plan was then to annihilate all that went into it. My heart was absolutely broken and I felt a deep sadness for her, that she completely misjudges Jesus and His great love.

I knew then I had to be very careful about how I discuss such basic truths as the reconciliation of all things--The milk of the word.

I am  a huge work in progress, in all things, it seems like ill never finish the race, endure to the end.


God bless,
Alex

indianabob:
Hi Alex,

Just a comment or two. Tongue in cheek....

The annihilation idea seems to many to work to lead to a better idea (total change) after a few years or so.

Yes I know it is not correct, but as an amateur bible student searching for something that makes sense it did seem to make sense to me 30 years ago!  Because at least God wasn't a cruel torturer getting pleasure from inflicting pain for no useful reason other than revenge which thing we humans are forbidden to desire.

These truths are usually learned in steps, many baby steps it seems, and we who have been dragged along faster and further than the others have to be very patient with ourselves and with those others.

Since we are going to "die to self" all of us eventually, then the "new man" the spiritually strong man that we will become when we are changed will be a similar but really brand new personality, will it not?
It is not I that live, rather it is Christ that lives in me. The old self is dying and the sooner the better.

I expect to have many of my good memories, for a while at least, until the last person is changed to spirit and we all have the future to look forward to and have those positive thoughts to dwell on.

Eventually, how long I can't know, we all will forget the suffering we experienced on the road to immortality and a place of honor in God's wonderful Kingdom.

Forgetting pain and forgiving offenses is possible even in this life, so I am confident that in the life to come forgiving and forgetting and putting offenses as far from each of us as the East is from the West will occur.

It is hard to watch another person suffer when you know something that could help if ONLY they could understand. But that is not for us to control. Our task is to just love them the way they are...and keep the secret within our own heart just the way Father God did for centuries leading up to the advent of HIS only begotten son. Even the angels at his throne desired to know the hidden things which we puny humans have in this age been freely given!

Hope that I didn't confuse anyone with my poor explanation.
Indiana Bob

hummer:
Col 4:5  Be wise in the way you act with those who are not believers. Use your time in the best way you can.

Psa 90:12  Teach us how short our lives are so that we can become wise.

Col 3:16  Let the teaching of Christ live inside you richly. Use all wisdom to teach and counsel each other. Sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

Mat 10:16  "Listen! I am sending you, and you will be like sheep among wolves. So be smart like snakes. But also be like doves and don't hurt anyone.

Rom 16:19  Everyone has heard that you do what you were taught, and I am very happy about that. But I want you to be wise about what is good and to know nothing about what is evil.

1Co 14:19  But in the church meetings I would rather speak five words that I understand than thousands of words in a different language. I would rather speak with my understanding, so that I can teach others.
1Co 14:20  Brothers and sisters, don't think like children. In evil things be like minors, but in your thinking you should be like full-grown adults.
1Co 14:21  As the Scriptures say, "Using those who speak a different language and using the lips of foreigners, I will speak to these people. But even then, they will not obey me." This is what the Lord says. 1Co 14:22  And from this we see that the use of different languages shows how God deals with those who don't believe, not with those who believe. And prophecy shows how God works through those who believe, not through unbelievers.
1Co 14:23  Suppose the whole church meets together and you all speak in different languages. If some people come in who are without understanding or don't believe, they will say you are crazy.
1Co 14:24  But suppose you are all prophesying and someone comes in who does not believe or who is without understanding. Their sin will be shown to them, and they will be judged by everything you say. languages. If some people come in who are without understanding or don't believe, they will say you are crazy.
 1Co 14:25  The secret things in their heart will be made known. So they will bow down and worship God. They will say, "Without a doubt, God is here with you."

Eph 5:15  So be very careful how you live. Live wisely, not like fools.
Eph 5:16  I mean that you should use every opportunity you have for doing good, because these are evil times.
Eph 5:17  So don't be foolish with your lives, but learn what the Lord wants you to do.

Jas 1:5  Do any of you need wisdom? Ask God for it. He is generous and enjoys giving to everyone. So he will give you wisdom.

Jas 3:13  Are there any among you who are really wise and understanding? Then you should show your wisdom by living right. You should do what is good with humility. A wise person does not boast.

Jas 3:17  But the wisdom that comes from God is like this: First, it is pure. It is also peaceful, gentle, and easy to please. This wisdom is always ready to help people who have trouble and to do good for others. This wisdom is always fair and honest.

1Th 4:12  If you do these things, then those who are not believers will respect the way you live. And you will not have to depend on others for what you need.

1Pe 3:1  In the same way, you wives should be willing to serve your husbands. Then, even those who have refused to accept God's teaching will be persuaded to believe because of the way you live. You will not need to say anything.
1Pe 3:2  Your husbands will see the pure lives that you live with respect for God.
1Pe 3:3  It is not fancy hair, gold jewelry, or fine clothes that should make you beautiful.
1Pe 3:4  No, your beauty should come from inside you--the beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit. That beauty will never disappear. It is worth very much to God.
1Pe 3:5  It was the same with the holy women who lived long ago and followed God. They made themselves beautiful in that same way. They were willing to serve their husbands.
1Pe 3:6  I am talking about women like Sarah. She obeyed Abraham, her husband, and called him her master. And you women are true children of Sarah if you always do what is right and are not afraid.
1Pe 3:7  In the same way, you husbands should live with your wives in an understanding way, since they are weaker than you. You should show them respect, because God gives them the same blessing he gives you--the grace of true life. Do this so that nothing will stop your prayers from being heard.

Eph 5:16  I mean that you should use every opportunity you have for doing good, because these are evil times.

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DEJI:
@ mharrell08 could you please send me a link to the question that elicited that response from Ray, I have searched but couldn't locate it. Thanks

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