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most impressive message, item you recieved from Ray
the truth:
That the Spirit of God really does work with nobodies! ;D
newgene87:
Oh yea and my other favorite that I'm Realizing more and more as I still go to church for The sake of my wife.
"If the church teaches it, it's false"
Gosh that's so TRUE on a grand level. And even if they confess, "Jesus is Lord", "The Word is Truth" Etc basics -- they themselves don't even understand the truth of those basic concepts and still make a mockery of themselves and God. So Ray nails it again
arion:
--- Quote from: newgene87 on August 18, 2012, 01:57:34 AM ---Oh yea and my other favorite that I'm Realizing more and more as I still go to church for The sake of my wife.
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I don't envy you. I would be grinding my teeth if I had to listen to a sermon in an orthodox church today. We were all so sure that we not only knew the truth but had the truth by the tail and put into our nice little theological boxes....we really hadn't even a clue. It's embarrassing.
newgene87:
--- Quote from: Arion on August 18, 2012, 07:59:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: newgene87 on August 18, 2012, 01:57:34 AM ---Oh yea and my other favorite that I'm Realizing more and more as I still go to church for The sake of my wife.
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I don't envy you. I would be grinding my teeth if I had to listen to a sermon in an orthodox church today. We were all so sure that we not only knew the truth but had the truth by the tail and put into our nice little theological boxes....we really hadn't even a clue. It's embarrassing.
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EMBARRASSING IS THE WORD. it's sad to see people, well few, that are GENUINE, but they are simply blind. scripture stands "let God be true, but every man a liar" (Romans 3:4). It actually causes me discern exactly what the truth is, it's my training ground to slowly reveal to my Wife the truth of what they say. She's coming around but it's a process. It was a LONG process for me from being a zealous church goer to being free in Truth. But this saying of Ray is proven every single time and it causes me to always be reminded what the truth is. All love to Ray Smith, to the Forum, and Glory be to Our God and Savior
Ian 155:
+All will be saved -
With me this all started with Rays tithing papers and has progressed - I am being freed every day from things that I was blinded to, still a lot of things I need to see - and I can't wait, meantime we should be making every effort to send thes papers out, I started doing this on my facebook and it really is refreshing to see some responses.As Ray said we still need the church and these so called ministers of the Gosple, they all play a role in Gods master plan.
Remember most of us were avid "church" going members at one stage
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