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Gina:
God caused Denise to have these questions. We know that much for sure. If He brings us to it, He'll bring us through it. This is how God works in our hearts. He's not afraid of questions like these. He knows we're bound to ask them.
Denise just needs to vent a little and we need to be there for her to pull her out of it if it is God's will.
If I may, one day after I'd pretty much said to God and Ray, I don't even want to worship a God that causes the torture of a man who has done no wrong....this thought occurred to me: But who will I run to when no one else is there for me? God's always been the One that I run to when no one else is there... And He's always been there for me. I might have had to wait a while (or even years) but He never leaves me. He's scary sometimes, and I don't like Him sometimes, but then He's so kind and always gives me exactly what I need. And if I get that from Him, then so will others... eventually. It's just going to take time, just like Denise said.
Revilonivek:
That is the thing. I am starting to doubt the validity of the scriptures. What if jewish people are as carnal as other gentiles are, who thinks they are the chosen people of God than any other races that existed. Just like other religions think the same way. I am trying to hold on to it but I am doubting it big time. That is why I need you guys to help me get an anchor. A good reason to hold on.
Here's one of several examples, I doubt the validity of Satan. It is probably added by religion to scare the pants off the masses. If you read how the scriptures describe Satan to do, I mean Satan's job description in the scriptures are described as what Desire is and does.. The bible says Satan is the tempter, and we should resist and he will flee away. Satan seems to always tempt when there is Desire about something, good or bad. for example, if I resist something I desire, good or bad, it will flee. Maybe the people of the OT did not understand how the brain works, or what desire is, so they blame it on Satan when it is really Desire that did it.
I know too much... too much history. too much. do you guys know how the name Israel came to be? Israel had pagan origins related to the creation of the name. It's kind of interesting. really.
If you guys are willing to help me out. That would be great because I def need an anchor. There are too many that is slowly breaking down my old anchor. What if life is what it is? no religion is right? what if we are just here to learn, and to love one another despite indifferences. maybe God is really different from what Jews say he is. Did you even know that Jews believe in a different version of the messiah and how the uptopia will be like than Christianity does. They believe to be a superior race and will rule over the gentiles. Do you guys have any experience that you have beyond no doubt that God of the scriptures exist and is the correct one? what are your experiences. I would love to hear it.
newgene87:
Cause truly, Confidence in the scriptures is VITAL in receiving or believing any matter. It's written, "...apart from blood-shedding forgiveness does not come" (Hebrews 9:22) and "...it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul" (Lev 17:11). And for a man, to voluntarily go through what he did as a sacrifice for the WORLD --- on one hand, it's cruel and nonsense but to me and many others - its the highest form of love. Scripture backs it all up. But even Paul declared, "the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but into us which are being saved it is the power of God" (1 Corinthians 1:18)
It'll all come to you. Hopefully the result is LOVE LOVE LOVE. Every smack, spit, whip, slash, pressure, moan, crack, smash, pop, agony - it was Love. Oh I'm bringing myself to tears. Jesus endured, despised the shame, carried and died. For you, me, every sinner and murderer. It's love
Eugene
newgene87:
--- Quote from: Gina on August 22, 2012, 08:58:12 PM ---God caused Denise to have these questions. We know that much for sure. If He brings us to it, He'll bring us through it. This is how God works in our hearts. He's not afraid of questions like these. He knows we're bound to ask them.
Denise just needs to vent a little and we need to be there for her to pull her out of it if it is God's will.
If I may, one day after I'd pretty much said to God and Ray, I don't even want to worship a God that causes the torture of a man who has done no wrong....this thought occurred to me: But who will I run to when no one else is there for me? God's always been the One that I run to when no one else is there... And He's always been there for me. I might have had to wait a while (or even years) but He never leaves me. He's scary sometimes, and I don't like Him sometimes, but then He's so kind and always gives me exactly what I need. And if I get that from Him, then so will others... eventually. It's just going to take time, just like Denise said.
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Love the honesty. We'll all get to our peace after our dragging has played its part. But the journey is frustrating and filled with worries and questions. Like you said, God causes them - he'll reveal them
Eugene
Gina:
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on August 22, 2012, 09:02:29 PM ---That is the thing. I am starting to doubt the validity of the scriptures. What if jewish people are as carnal as other gentiles are, who thinks they are the chosen people of God than any other races that existed. Just like other religions think the same way. I am trying to hold on to it but I am doubting it big time. That is why I need you guys to help me get an anchor. A good reason to hold on.
Here's one of several examples, I doubt the validity of Satan. It is probably added by religion to scare the pants off the masses. If you read how the scriptures describe Satan to do, I mean Satan's job description in the scriptures are described as what Desire is and does.. The bible says Satan is the tempter, and we should resist and he will flee away. Satan seems to always tempt when there is Desire about something, good or bad. for example, if I resist something I desire, good or bad, it will flee. Maybe the people of the OT did not understand how the brain works, or what desire is, so they blame it on Satan when it is really Desire that did it.
I know too much... too much history. too much. do you guys know how the name Israel came to be? Israel had pagan origins related to the creation of the name. It's kind of interesting. really.
If you guys are willing to help me out. That would be great because I def need an anchor. There are too many that is slowly breaking down my old anchor. What if life is what it is? no religion is right? what if we are just here to learn, and to love one another despite indifferences. maybe God is really different from what Jews say he is. Did you even know that Jews believe in a different version of the messiah and how the uptopia will be like than Christianity does. They believe to be a superior race and will rule over the gentiles. Do you guys have any experience that you have beyond no doubt that God of the scriptures exist and is the correct one? what are your experiences. I would love to hear it.
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Man! Denise! You are like ALL OVER THE PLACE.
First of all, you need to stop with the Jews are the "bad race." I'm here to tell you that I've got a few Jewish friends and have had a couple Jewish bosses and they aren't the way you describe. Besides, did you know that there are relatively few actual Jews in existence today? You know that don't you?
And did you know that a Jew is not one who is one OUTwardly, but he is a Jew who is one in the heart?
God is not threatened by your false accusations and your doubt, Denise! Sister, there's a lot you DON'T know.
First, take a look around you and describe what you see. Now answer the following question: Who put it there?
You are getting yourself all worked up over that which you DO not understand -- and you've admitted it that you don't know that much (not that I'm any better than you). But now that you've had a little schooling you think you know SO MUCH! You CLAIM that you know TOO much. But from the looks of your post, you've got a LOT of questions you need answers to. BIG, HUGE, GIGANTIC questions.
You know enough to be dangerous. And I'm not "hating on you"; I'm just telling you like it is. This is how the carnal mind works. Did you know that?
(Did that help at all? :) ;))
Love,
Gina
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