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Satan's "Half" Lie/Truth??
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: newgene87 on August 26, 2012, 05:08:43 PM ---So my paying attention to the words is getting me YET again. But this is coming out of the Scriptures. So reading through Genesis 3, i stumbled across this and it FINALLY caught my eye.
"and the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall NOT surely die (obvious lie): for God does know that in the day ye eat thereof, then (1)your eyes shall be opened, and (2) ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil." (Gen 3:4-5) and the rest was history. YET, this actually came to pass - what Satan said would happen
(1) "and the eyes of them both WERE opened, and they knew that they were naked..." (Gen 3:7)
(2) "and Jehovah God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat and live to the age" (Gen 3:22)
So it seems to me that Satan told truth because what he said actually came to pass. It actually happened for one, and God attested to the other.
would I be on track to conclude that Satan started with a LIE and exhibited a truth to BEGUILE or deceive?? I feel like i discovered a tool to be aware of his "Travesty" and "trickery" ways (Ephesians 6:11). Trying not "to be ignorant of his device" (2 Corinthians 2:11). I've always been programmed to know Satan is only lies but here he actually told some truth; but lied to deceive with truth (???) yea, looks like a square circle :D. well, wondering if anyone else sees that. Thanks
Eugene
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Well, let's pay a little MORE attetion to the words;
Satan says "IN THE DAY you eat thereof..." Meaning, that day that they eat this fruit, upon that very day, they will be as GOD is.
Unfortunately for adam and eve, even after eating the fruit, they were NOTHING like God. They are / were becoming like God but they were FAR from "BEING AS GOD."
Just something I was thinking about when I was looking over your question.
Satan lies, no doubt about it, but how deceitful is he? Meh... Deceitful alright, I Just don't know HOW FAR he goes.
Gina:
You're welcome, Eugene. :) (Not sure how or if you made sense of my last disjointed reply but it made sense to me... at the time.)
This has been another good thread. I learned a lot more than I thought I would. I like to personally thank everyone who contributed.
newgene87:
About them "become as god" or becoming or whatever translation we choose (Youngs, concordat, Rotherham, kjv) does this have anything to do with
Psalms 82:6
I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.
John 10:34-35
Jesus answered them, “ Is it not written in your law, “I said, ‘You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
So didn't the "become" gods according to scripture?? Again, correct me according to these scriptures please - these are what I confide in
Eugene
dave:
--- Quote from: newgene87 on August 28, 2012, 10:42:00 PM ---About them "become as god" or becoming or whatever translation we choose (Youngs, concordat, Rotherham, kjv) does this have anything to do with
Psalms 82:6
I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.
John 10:34-35
Jesus answered them, “ Is it not written in your law, “I said, ‘You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
So didn't the "become" gods according to scripture?? Again, correct me according to these scriptures please - these are what I confide in
Eugene
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Yep
Gina:
That's a great question.
Satan was still leading Eve to believe a lie, and I believe she thought she would then be able to be independent of God. Satan convinced her that God was holding out on her and this probably made her a little more than angry with God. Can't you just imagine?
It's as Ray said: God puts us in situations to prove to US who we are. It's not that He doesn't know what we'll do or what we are.
Gods, shmods. We're lumps of clay. That's the part Satan left out. He lied by omission.
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