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Satan's "Half" Lie/Truth??
paulfisher:
Great thread. Bottom line?
Satan lied along with telling some truth to tempt Eve. (Gen 3:4/5) As verse 22 verifies the truth.
According to the Scriptures Adam and Eve did NOT have any knowledge of good and evil prior to eating the forbidden fruit.
They had a (one) commandment from God that they broke by eating the forbidden fruit and that was their first sin.
Satan's beguiling along with Eve's lusts CAUSED her to break the one commandment and Adam loved his wife and was willing to die for her and so also partook.
Paul
gregorydc:
Paul according to Rays teachings Adam and Eve did have knowledge. They had to partake of the forbidden fruit, that is how God is still making us from their sin in the beginning. Giving them more knowledge of both good and evil. As Ray would say you have to read ALL the words. Maybe someone will put up the link for you on this.
Greg
santgem:
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Your theory that man would have been happy in the Garden for all eternity if he hadn't eaten of the forbidden fruit is nonsense. He didn't really know that ANYTHING in the Garden was good--he had never experienced EVIL! It's that simple and it's that profound. God is truly WISE!
If they know anything before, they would have a contrast between good and evil. Experiencing evil able them to distinguish between good and bad.
Adam and Eve may not be happy in their life in the garden if they would not experienced evil, there is no contrast between good and evil, it's so boring indeed! ;)
Kat:
One aspect I would like to bring up is that Adam and Eve from the beginning had access to the Tree of Life (the One who would become Jesus Christ). We understand that God talked with them and "walked" in the garden, so it seems they had been 'partaking' of the Tree of Life for a period of time since they were created, they were learning from Him. They were being taught by God Himself how to "Work" the ground... how else would they have learned this new way of life? So I think there was a time when they may have been protected or kept away from the rest of the world (before they partook of the tree of life), while they were learning what they needed to know.
So when the time came for them to move on into the experiences of good and evil (from the world around them) well it was then that Satan entered the picture to draw Eve and Adam with her to the tree of good and evil.
mercy, peace and peace
Kat
Gina:
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Your theory that man would have been happy in the Garden for all eternity if he hadn't eaten of the forbidden fruit is nonsense. He didn't really know that ANYTHING in the Garden was good--he had never experienced EVIL! It's that simple and it's that profound. God is truly WISE!
If they know anything before, they would have a contrast between good and evil. Experiencing evil able them to distinguish between good and bad.
Adam and Eve may not be happy in their life in the garden if they would not experienced evil, there is no contrast between good and evil, it's so boring indeed! ;)
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Exactly! (I hate being bored.) They wouldn't even be able to say things like, Wow, the Tree of Life is Awesome! It's Perfect!
Without anything bad to compare it to they'd just be like,
Oh, yeah .... the Tree of Life - how about that. Ho hum. Welp, guess I'll get back to planting those yummy cukes in the "garden."
Oh, look hon, we got a good crop again this year.
Oh Adam, look at those beautiful roses. Yeah babe, they smell good.
And God would be like,
Me oh My, The scene is dull!! Satan, you go down there....I need them to put a little more life in their dying.
;D
It's like this: Christendom says that God doesn't want robots. But what the freak do they think Adam and Eve would ultimately be if God never planted the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the garden?! They'd seriously have no choice whatsoever, see? Hence, no free will!
So in essence, Christendom likes the fact that God did not give man a fabled free will (to borrow from Ray).
They just don't know it. Yet....
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