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Satan's "Half" Lie/Truth??
Rene:
--- Quote from: paulfisher on September 12, 2012, 01:48:41 AM ---
They had a (one) commandment from God that they broke by eating the forbidden fruit and that was their first sin.
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Here is an email reply from Ray that may help in our understanding of this matter:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3702.msg27912.html#msg27912
COMMENT: Why DIDN'T Adam and Eve eat of the "tree of life" first? If they were "innocent" ['not experienced or worldly; naive'--American Heritage Dictionary], why would they choose to sin and eat the forbidden fruit. What was it about their nature that purposely chose sin over righteouness; disobedience over obedience; death over life? What? How can "innocence" CHOOSE EVIL? Why didn't their "innocence" CHOOSE GOOD? Ah, did you catch that? Did you miss it? What was it that Eve chose? Did she choose EVIL or did she choose GOOD? She chose BOTH AT THE SAME TIME!! "Good AND evil" were both in THE SAME FRUIT!! I don't believe there is a theologian on earth that understands this enigma!
You are also wrong in suggesting that sin did not come into the garden until Eve actually ATE THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT. Not true. Let's read it if you haven't read my "lake of fire" series: "And when the woman saw that the tree was GOOD FOR FOOD [lust of the flesh--this is SIN], and that it was pleasant to THE EYES [lust of the eyes--this is SIN], and a tree to be desired to MAKE ONE WISE [pride of life--this is SIN]....." (Gen. 3:6). Eve committed EVERY CATEGORY OF SIN IN THE ENTIRE WORLD B-E-F-O-R-E SHE EVER ATE OF THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT. "For ALL that is in the world [A-L-L the sins of the world come under these three categories], THE lust of the flesh, AND THE lust of the eyes, AND THE pride of life, IS NOT OF THE fATHER, BUT IS OF THE WORLD" (I John 2:15).
"For the creature [Adam and Eve and all their descendants] was MADE [by GOD] subject to VANITY [Margin: 'futility--failure'], not willingly, but by reason of Him [God] Who has subjected the same in HOPE" (Rom. 8:20).
Your whole premise is unscriptural.
God be with you,
Ray
Deborah-Leigh:
Did you miss it? What was it that Eve chose? Did she choose EVIL or did she choose GOOD? She chose BOTH AT THE SAME TIME!! "Good AND evil" were both in THE SAME FRUIT!! I don't believe there is a theologian on earth that understands this enigma!
L Ray Smith ~ courtesy Rene, previous post.
Did you miss it.... is the question.
How can anyone NOT miss it, being that we are all subject to vainity, and first the natural then the spiritual. So we HAVE to miss it ~ No one can not NOT miss it, for we have all sinned. Eve chose, she chose BOTH, good AND evil that are BOTH in the same fruit.
So, the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Rene on September 12, 2012, 10:11:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: paulfisher on September 12, 2012, 01:48:41 AM ---
They had a (one) commandment from God that they broke by eating the forbidden fruit and that was their first sin.
--- End quote ---
Here is an email reply from Ray that may help in our understanding of this matter:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3702.msg27912.html#msg27912
COMMENT: Why DIDN'T Adam and Eve eat of the "tree of life" first? If they were "innocent" ['not experienced or worldly; naive'--American Heritage Dictionary], why would they choose to sin and eat the forbidden fruit. What was it about their nature that purposely chose sin over righteouness; disobedience over obedience; death over life? What? How can "innocence" CHOOSE EVIL? Why didn't their "innocence" CHOOSE GOOD? Ah, did you catch that? Did you miss it? What was it that Eve chose? Did she choose EVIL or did she choose GOOD? She chose BOTH AT THE SAME TIME!! "Good AND evil" were both in THE SAME FRUIT!! I don't believe there is a theologian on earth that understands this enigma!
You are also wrong in suggesting that sin did not come into the garden until Eve actually ATE THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT. Not true. Let's read it if you haven't read my "lake of fire" series: "And when the woman saw that the tree was GOOD FOR FOOD [lust of the flesh--this is SIN], and that it was pleasant to THE EYES [lust of the eyes--this is SIN], and a tree to be desired to MAKE ONE WISE [pride of life--this is SIN]....." (Gen. 3:6). Eve committed EVERY CATEGORY OF SIN IN THE ENTIRE WORLD B-E-F-O-R-E SHE EVER ATE OF THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT. "For ALL that is in the world [A-L-L the sins of the world come under these three categories], THE lust of the flesh, AND THE lust of the eyes, AND THE pride of life, IS NOT OF THE fATHER, BUT IS OF THE WORLD" (I John 2:15).
"For the creature [Adam and Eve and all their descendants] was MADE [by GOD] subject to VANITY [Margin: 'futility--failure'], not willingly, but by reason of Him [God] Who has subjected the same in HOPE" (Rom. 8:20).
Your whole premise is unscriptural.
God be with you,
Ray
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Great reminder Rene. Thank you for sharing this again.
The heart was created exceedingly weak... So true!
John from Kentucky:
We know from Gen 3:22 that God has knowledge of good and evil.
Where did God get this knowledge, especially knowledge of evil?
I know Ray has discussed this here: http://bible-truths.com/video/WhereGodsKnowledgeL.wmv
But I wonder if this is the entire source of His acquisition of such knowledge.
I don't want to start a grand philosophical inquiry. But humanity is learning of good and evil by experience, by eating fruit from this tree that combines good and evil---we can't get one without the other.
Where did God get this knowledge---by experience too? We know the verse in Isaiah, which says God created evil. He had to know it before He created it. I bet that will be one interesting story. There is so much we don't know.
Deborah-Leigh:
In WISDOM, not in the beginning....IN WISDOM God Created....Prov 4 :7 Wisdom is the principle thing.
Knowledge is not the principle thing....
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