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Joel:
I can see that when God brought John the Baptist on the scene it upset everyone that didn't have their eyes opened to the fact that The Lord Jesus Christ was the Savour that was promised to come.
From that time the Christian era has been full of all manner of violence both physical, and spiritual.
Paul tells Christians to put on the Whole Amour of God he refers to in Ephesians 6.

Another scripture that comes to mind is; Philippians 3, especially verses 13-14.
13-Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14- I PRESS toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Joel

cjwood:
i am thinking that the two verses you quoted eugene are prophetic.  speaking of Jesus Christ himself.  he did come on the scene about the time of john the baptist, to begin His ministry.

claudia

Ian 155:
Most kids are demanding/forcefull, which we usually frown apon, this I think may be our key ...

unless we become as "little" children -

bpenelli:
Matthew 11 (The Message)

11-14 "Let me tell you what's going on here: No one in history surpasses John the Baptizer; but in the kingdom he prepared you for, the lowliest person is ahead of him. For a long time now people have tried to force themselves into God's kingdom. But if you read the books of the Prophets and God's Law closely, you will see them culminate in John, teaming up with him in preparing the way for the Messiah of the kingdom. Looked at in this way, John is the 'Elijah' you've all been expecting to arrive and introduce the Messiah.

Marky Mark:
 

--- Quote ---I just don't see how the "KINGDOM" is suffering violence - I would understand if he said the "church" suffers violence.
--- End quote ---


Hey Eugene.

If you are truly of the church of God and being called and chosen and faithful unto the end, then would you not believe that the kingdom of God is within you...now?

Eph 1:13 In whom [Him] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Luk 17:20 And when he[Christ] was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Was not the suffering[violence]that Jesus went through for His kingdom,church [elect] the same violence[suffering] that we must all go through in being crucified with Him daily?(Joh 6:63...the words that I speak unto you,they are spirit...) Does not being seized and pressed daily by virtue of dying to self from the fire above,living for the Christ,cause one to be drawn[dragged] violently away from ones own 'self-righteous' evil ways?

By dying to self we will suffer the violence needed [to be seized and pressed...in suffering for Him...by the killing of that beast within] to enter into His kingdom, now,by the dying of our old man adam,and the putting on the new man,that is [Christ in us],thus bearing the fruit that leads to aionion life,which is His Spiritual fruit in us...now.

Mat 12:33  Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Php 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God,

Luk 18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment[condemnation]: because as he is, so are we in this world.


We become that new man in Christ  when we learn obedience, by the things which we suffer, unto salvation.

Heb 5:8  Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Heb 5:9  And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

because we can now...

Col 1:24 ...rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:


Hope this helps some.

Peace...Mark

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