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going to heaven/hell when one dies
Gina:
Micah, there are none. That's what Ray already said. There are no scriptures to back up their false notions of an evil God who tortures people for ever and ever.
Bible verses? Sure! However, there is no scripture to backup their false claims. They can tempt people to believe their false claims using "scripture" and they can even deceive people, but I'll say it again:
--- Quote ---This was answered in Eugene's reply: Not one of these five aspects of the Egyptian Underworld has Scriptural backing, yet virtually every one of them has a place in Christian DOCTRINE. ~Ray
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The truth is never taught in the churches. Never.
--- Quote from: micah7:9 on September 02, 2012, 07:40:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on September 01, 2012, 10:48:00 PM ---... back in. hehe.
If by blame the church you mean "judge," Eugene, then remember that judgment is on the house of God now. And judgment sets crooked things right.
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness. Isaiah 26:9
Know you not that we will judge angels? (... or messengers, but not messengers of God, IMHO).
Okay. Sorry. I'm done. :)
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Gina I believe you spoke just what Christian preachers and teachers do, and that is they are judging, using human logic, common sense, and human emotions to comfort rather than speak the truth.
Joh 8:14 "Even if I am giving testimony about myself," replied Jesus, "my testimony is true; for I know where I came from and where I am going, but you know neither of these two things.
Joh 8:15 You judge according to appearances: I am judging no one.
And that very teaching that is not true, keeps those who accept it, in a fear of dying. Thanks
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Micah, I'm sorry. You keep looking for scripture backup to support the false doctrine of a "christian hell and afterlife of eternal torture." Why are you doing that? False workers don't use scripture. They ABUSE scripture, if anything, and select "bible" verses.
You're not going to find the scriptural support you are seeking, because there are no scriptures to support it.
Dave in Tenn:
Gina, Let's not argue over words. It's clear that "bible-verses" are used to support false doctrine. Much of what Ray wrote is in teaching what these bible-verses mean. So it's a valid question to ask what bible verses christian theology uses to teach that saved people go to heaven when they die.
Specifically what Ray said in the quote is "Not one of these five aspects of the Egyptian Underworld has Scriptural backing..." Theologians and preachers have not thrown away their bibles to teach Egyptian theology. I don't reckon anybody genuinely believes in Horus and company any more. These five aspects HAVE "biblical verse" backing in Christian theology.
That was the question. It's a good one. If it wasn't, there would be no B-T as there would be no need to 'come out of her, my people'.
dave:
I am an unfinished piece of clay, I do not even come close in understanding the Potter's reasons and wisdom as to why I am still here.
Yet in my heart I am disturbed as to why the teaching of going to heaven or hell when you die is so accepted by regular people who own and read their Bible's. The going to the "hell" they hear on TV and read in their Bible translation can easily be understood by the verses Kat gave.
That is disturbing as it is, to accept, want, and desire a human being to suffer like that, while they feel safe in their heaven thoughts and are grateful it is not them. The teaching does not and cannot reveal the Love of God.
So I was just wondering on what Bible grounds do they verify their heaven journey from the Bible. Is the teaching just formed from an opposite of damnation teaching and needs no sound doctrine?
Gina:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 02, 2012, 10:45:23 AM ---Gina, Let's not argue over words. It's clear that "bible-verses" are used to support false doctrine. Much of what Ray wrote is in teaching what these bible-verses mean. So it's a valid question to ask what bible verses christian theology uses to teach that saved people go to heaven when they die.
Specifically what Ray said in the quote is "Not one of these five aspects of the Egyptian Underworld has Scriptural backing..." Theologians and preachers have not thrown away their bibles to teach Egyptian theology. I don't reckon anybody genuinely believes in Horus and company any more. These five aspects HAVE "biblical verse" backing in Christian theology.
That was the question. It's a good one. If it wasn't, there would be no B-T as there would be no need to 'come out of her, my people'.
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You're saying I'm splitting hairs is what you're saying. Micah's asking what SCRIPTURE there is to SUPPORT the hell doctrine. And some of you are coming in back and saying -- Welllll duh yup--well let's see here, Micah, we got this scripture and we got that scripture. And so you may as well be saying -- Yep, there is scripture to support that doctrine. It totally astounds me! There is NOT ONE scripture to support the hell doctrine.
Gina:
I've removed my comment upon further consideration.
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