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going to heaven/hell when one dies
Gina:
... back in. hehe.
If by blame the church you mean "judge," Eugene, then remember that judgment is on the house of God now. And judgment sets crooked things right.
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness. Isaiah 26:9
Know you not that we will judge angels? (... or messengers, but not messengers of God, IMHO).
Okay. Sorry. I'm done. :)
santgem:
Lazarus and the Rich man... It is this powerful teaching that they believed that when one dies they will go either to heaven or hell.
Lazarus and the Rich man is a parable and we are very lucky that through Ray did reveal to us all believers the significant and hidden truth about this parable.
dave:
--- Quote from: Gina on September 01, 2012, 10:48:00 PM ---... back in. hehe.
If by blame the church you mean "judge," Eugene, then remember that judgment is on the house of God now. And judgment sets crooked things right.
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness. Isaiah 26:9
Know you not that we will judge angels? (... or messengers, but not messengers of God, IMHO).
Okay. Sorry. I'm done. :)
--- End quote ---
Gina I believe you spoke just what Christian preachers and teachers do, and that is they are judging, using human logic, common sense, and human emotions to comfort rather than speak the truth.
Joh 8:14 "Even if I am giving testimony about myself," replied Jesus, "my testimony is true; for I know where I came from and where I am going, but you know neither of these two things.
Joh 8:15 You judge according to appearances: I am judging no one.
And that very teaching that is not true, keeps those who accept it, in a fear of dying. Thanks
Kat:
Oh the church has plenty of Bible verses to use to back up their doctrine of an hell as the punishment of the wicked. They take Bible translations as being the Word of God and not able to be corrupted with huge errors to the degree that it would mislead the majority... try to convince a devout church going Christian of that the whole church is decieved.
Anywhere that the Bible speaks of a place of eternal or everlasting punishment/damnation/destruction to them can only mean one thing... hell.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
There are quite a few place that the Bible speaks of unquenchable fire, tormented with fire and brimstone and fiery indignation. When these verses are presented as proof along with a colorfully descriptive sermon on what they say it means, yeah people believe it. Anyway who are they the question their god's chosen Representative? Jush try it and see how far you get.
Luke 3:17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.
Rev 14:10-11 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Mar 9:47-48 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Heb 10:26-27 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Of course hearing these things are truth over and over with the Bible verses right there to prove it, is a form of brainwashing that really works. Not only do these people not have someone like Ray to point out all the Bible errors, they also are taught Satan uses someone like him to trick them, so they will go to hell. It's a very entrenched deception that can only be shattered at Christ's return.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
dave:
I can see and understand how they teach about a "hell" of everlasting torment, but where are the verses that say with all "their folksy and colorful descriptions" the proof that those who are "saved" go to heaven when they die?
I know that Luke 16 is their mainstay, but where are others?
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