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Does God know everything?
acomplishedartis:
Hi Ian, I hope you are doing better, emotionally. I think you have a cool name.
No offence, but what a tricky little peace of crap you have just found.
On the first quote, the author is putting God in our same level, how considered. (also put attention on the next three quotes and you will find contradictions):
--- Quote from: Ian on October 31, 2012, 05:34:08 PM --- God finds out things concerning the free moral actions and decisions of people just as we do...
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--- Quote from: Ian on October 31, 2012, 05:34:08 PM ---...God does not personally take care of every detail of His vast business in His Creation, universe, and Kingdom.
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--- Quote from: Ian on October 31, 2012, 05:34:08 PM --- Angels are responsible to God for carrying out His will in infinite detail concerning the billions of planets, stars, suns, etc. and among all the free moral agents (i.e. human beings, angels, demons) in the world.
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by the way, hope you already know that there is no hell in the Scriptures.
I am sure this will helps
TWELVE GOD-GIVEN TRUTHS TO UNDERSTAND HIS WORD (truth number 10):
What is true is that God is not trying to save everyone now in this church age. But all of mankind are the offspring of God:
"And has made of one blood all nations of men…though He is not far from every one of us [the ‘us’ including every sinning pagan Athenian—Ver. 21].
For IN HIM we live, and move, and have our being… for we ARE ALSO His offspring" (Acts 17:26-28).
The most evil of people who have ever lived, did not live unto themselves, by themselves, independent of God, but rather, "in HIM they live, and move, and have their being."
For even the life of the criminal is sustained by God: or they would just fall apart and cease to exist:
"And He [Jesus] is before all things, and by Him ALL THINGS CONSIST [Gk: ‘hold together’]" (Col. 1:17).
Why is it that God tells us that "all is of God," but as many read their Bibles, they do not believe that all they are reading is "ALL of God?"
God gave Joseph a dream that he would be in a position of great power and that even his brothers and his father and mother would be bowing down to him. His brothers especially hated him for what they considered a haughty attitude toward them. They hated him so, that they were going to kill him, but Reuben saved him and they rather sold him into slavery down to Egypt. In Egypt Joseph went through his 13 years of trial and testing. Later his brothers were forced to seek food from Joseph, and they feared for their lives. They thought that Joseph was as evil as they. Joseph, however, had compassion on them and made the following marvelous statement of revelation concerning the workings of God:
"And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God? But as for you, ye thought EVIL AGAINST ME, but God MEANT IT UNTO GOOD, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive" (Gen. 50:19-20).
Notice that God did not "change" what they planned, or "turn" the evil that they planned into something good. No, God "meant IT," it being the whole scenario from start to finish, for good. God didn’t change anything or turn anything, rather God planned it to happen just as it happened FROM THE BEGINNING. God has never ever made a mid-stream correction in His original plan. God always knows the end of everything in the beginning: "Declaring the END from the BEGINNING…" (Isa. 46:10). But "Who will believe our report?"
A few months ago while visiting in someone’s home, I was introduced to a Jehovah’s Witness minister. During a discussion around the kitchen table, something was said that prompted me to state that God knows all things, and He knows all things before they ever happen. To which the JW minister took great exception and gave an example of something that God did not know, and that this was clearly stated so in the Scriptures. When He quoted the Scripture I nearly fell out of my chair. Here is the Scripture he quoted to prove that God does not always know everything:
"…Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?" (Gen. 3:8a-9).
He insisted for the rest of the evening that there are things that God doesn’t know, and if God were to ask a question to something He already knew, then the Scripture would be showing God to be a liar by asking. I asked him if the fact of God asking a question is proof that God does not know the answer to the question, and he said, "YES." I later asked him if Jesus was the only stupid person present when He asked whose image was on the coin? I asked him if every uneducated person present knew that it was Caesar’s image with the exception of Jesus? He replied: "That was different." Oh really?
How the name of God is blasphemed by such demeaning foolishness. Yet most professing Christians refuse to understand these simple truths of Scripture. They refuse to believe that all is of God. They rather think that all evil is of Satan. They refuse to believe that even Satan "is of GOD." God created Satan, God controls Satan, and God calls all the shots with Satan. Satan cannot move without God’s permission:
"And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold he is in your hand; but save his life. So went Satan forth from the presence of the Lord…" Job 2:6-7).
If even Jesus Christ, the SON OF GOD, could not do ANYTHING of Himself without the Father, then why oh why do Christians believe that everyone else in the universe can do whatever they want independent of God? Jesus said:
"I can of Mine Own Self DO NOTHING…" (John 5:30).
Jesus also said:
"…For without Me YE CAN DO NOTHING…" (John 15:5).
So Jesus can do nothing of and by Himself; the Apostles could do nothing of and by themselves; we can of ourselves do nothing, but Satan and sinners can do whatever their fabled free wills want to do, is that correct? That is foolish and unscriptural blasphemy. Truly "ALL is of God."
What then of all the supposed contradictions in Scripture? Below are a few examples of what many would call contradictions in the Scriptures:
THE RELATIVE: THE ABSOLUTE:
" ...seek, and ye shall find... " (Mat. 7:7) "Not one is seeking out God" (Rom. 3:11)
"God changed His mind" (Ex. 32:14) "God is not a man Who changes His mind" (I Sam. 15:29)
" ...CHOOSE you this day whom ye will serve." (Josh. 24:15) "Ye have NOT CHOSEN me,
but I have chosen you... " (Jn. 15:16)
" ...whosoever doeth not righteousness is NOT of God... "(I Jn. 3:10) "ALL is of God" (II Cor. 5:18)
"Zechariah was righteous before God" (Luke 1:5-6). "There is none righteous" (Rom. 3:10)
"Come unto Me…" (Matt. 11:28) "None CAN come to Me…" (John 6:44 & 65)
To the carnal mind, the above Scriptures are contradictions, and therefore proof that the Word of God is not consistently true.
Even the greatest theologians in the world deny this truth that "All is of God," because they cannot distinguish the relative from man’s doings from the absolute which is God’s doing.
In the first example man is told to seek but is also told that no man seeks. Which is it? They are both true. No man does seek God except and until God brings about circumstances wherein he does seek God. But He only does seek God because "All is of God" who brings about the circumstances whereby someone who would not seek God, now does seek God.
In the second example we are told that God changes His mind [repents], but are also told that God is not a man who repents or changes His mind. The answers are all the same. Where it appears to many that God felt sorry for ever having created mankind, He is in reality doing only that which He had determined to do from the beginning. It is only from man’s perspective that God repented or changed His mind. God always knows the "end from the beginning," and therefore is never surprised or never thwarted or frustrated requiring a change in course or a change of plans.
A few years ago someone tried to trip me up with this verse:
"They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spoke it neither came it into My mind" (Jer. 19:5).
Here, I was told, is absolute proof that God learns new things that He didn’t know before. Nonsense.
This is a simple problem of translating. The word translated "mind" in this verse is the Hebrew word leb, and it means the "heart with its feelings," not the mind. The King James very often confuses heart with mind and mind with soul, as if they were one and the same thing even though there are different words for each.
God’s plan and purpose for humanity consists of many, many things which are not after God’s own heart, but that are, nonetheless, absolutely essential for the completion of His plan:
"Say unto them, As I live, says the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?" (Ezek. 33:11).
This is God’s HEART speaking in this verse. But in the MIND of God, the death of the wicked was absolutely necessary, and a prophesied fact that could not be avoided:
"For I will lay the land most desolate, and the pomp of her strength shall cease, and the mountains of Israel shall be desolate, that none shall pass through" (Ver. 28).
This is but another of countless examples in Scripture that show God’s mind and His heart. God takes no pleasure or delight in His heart over the horrible things that continually happen to humanity, but nonetheless, these things are absolutely essential to the fulfillment of the plan that God has devised in His mind.
It is absolute blasphemy to think or teach that God is the Creator of all that is, but then takes zero responsibility for all the evils of that creation—ALL is of God.
L.Ray Smith
Extol:
--- Quote from: Ian on October 31, 2012, 05:34:08 PM ---I know I'm not supposed to post links, but I would greatly appreciate it if I could just post the text from one. It can explain the problem more than I can, and perhaps you will understand why I am confused.
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Ian,
Yes, that article does help us understand why you are confused! I have two suggestions that will help greatly with your confusion:
1) Read the articles on Bible-Truths.com.
2) Never go to that other website again.
Isaiah 46:10--Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.
Ephesians 1:11--In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.
Dennis Vogel:
I've watched this video at least a dozen times:
http://bible-truths.com/DoesGodLearnHD.wmv
God knows everything about the entire creation.
But if a billion years from now God decides to create something new then He does not yet know everything about the new created thing because He has not yet thought of it.
Watch the video a few more times and you'll get it.
Mbongiseni:
Hi
If its the free will god that does not know everything I will agree; but Yahweh knows all... all is of God...
Patric:
He Knows the Bengals will never win a super bowl! He knows that we are going to rebel......he knows.....he knows all things......from end from the beginning! Sovereignty
This is hard to wrap our human mind around. This also helps keep my sanity in the middle of chaos in the flesh......
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