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G. Driggs:

--- Quote from: rsks ---That's how I took it too Dave in Tennessee.  It seems all will be a surprise to the world when Christ comes back.  "Like a thief in the night".

Nice thread guys.  Lot's to think about.  I kinda suspect like Ray, that the second given, has a special meaning behind it.

Thanks everyone.
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Agreed. Seems the emphasis of "as in the days of Noah" is surprise or unexpectedness. And it comes down to "many are called and few are chosen". The many being the majority of the wicked in that land, the few being Noah and his family.

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Is the writer suggesting that this Scripture contradicts the idea that Christ's coming is as a thief? That if some should be "watching," then they will not be surprised when Christ comes? Such an idea is not logical or sound reasoning. Let me attempt to state this idea clearly. Can we agree on the fact that Jesus did not lie when He said: "Now, concerning that day and hour no one is aware, neither the messengers of the heavens, nor the Son; except the Father only" (Matt. 24:36)? Okay then, no one knows when Christ will return. So, even if one is watching, he still will not know when He will return! The very fact that someone would be "watching" is proof positive that he DOESN’T known when the return occurs.

Those "not watching" probably don't even believe Christ is going to return. They will be surprised when it happens. Those who "are watching" believe the Christ is going to return, but neither do they know when He will return. The figure of the thief represents the unexpectedness of His coming--nothing else. If one knows the exact hour that a guest is to arrive at his home, he doesn't need to sit by the window watching for days or weeks. If he knows the exact hour, he could, in fact, set his alarm clock and go to sleep. Here's another point from this figure of a thief. It's a minor point, but nevertheless, a point. Matt. 24 not only states that no one will know when our Lord will return, but it even further suggests that it will be at a time considered the most unlikely. Notice it: "... for in an hour which you are not supposing, the Son of Mankind is coming" (Verse 44).

Consider also, that if Christ wanted to give a figure of speech that represents the day of the Lord (rather than His actual "appearing"), then "as a thief" would be totally inappropriate.

The Day of the Lord represents: Vengeance, Wrath, Indignation, Fire, Gloominess, Darkness, Clouds and Murkiness, Mourning, Devastation, War, Pain, Suffering, and Death--wholesale DEATH. One might choose to represent such evil, A Monster, Satan, a Devil, A Wild Beast, or some such thing, but not a "thief.". Our Lord doesn’t even suggest that it is "an armed robber or thief"--just "a thief." A "thief" is not in the least representative of the horrors of worldwide pain, suffering, fear, and slaughter. A "thief" is about as analogous to or representative of these unprecedented horrors and carnage of most of the human race as a teddy bear or a rubber ducky would be. And that’s why God does use Monsters, Wild Beasts, demons, and Satan himself, as the personification of the greatest evils in history, not "a thief"!

If Christ’s actual return and appearing in great glory is not a thing of darkness, gloominess, and negativism, how then does Christ return to this Earth "as a thief," or "as a thief in the night?" We don’t need to use human reasoning or speculation, many Scriptures tell us exactly how His return is "as a thief." Christ returns to this Earth is as a thief in that no one will know when He will return. The time of His return, is unexpected. And that is the only way in which Christ comes as "a thief." Not one of these Scriptures (which fully and simply explain the figure of a thief), mentions one word about the "ominousness" of the dark and gloomy day as the reason for the figure of a thief. Here are the Scriptures:

    "... if the householder were aware in what watch the thief is coming, he would watch ..." (Mat. 24:43). But he didn’t know when and neither will anyone else know when He returns.

    "Now, concerning that day and hour no one is aware, neither the messengers of the heavens, nor the Son ..." (Mat. 24:36).

    "For even as the days of Noah, thus shall be the presence of the So of Mankind. "...for as they were in the days before the deluge ... and did not know till the deluge came ..." (Mat. 24:37-39).

    "Be watching, then, for you are not aware on what day your Lord is Coming" (Matt. 24:42).

    "... for in an hour which you are not supposing, the Son of Mankind is coming" (Mat. 24:24-44).

    "... for you are not aware when the lord of the house is coming ..." (Mk 13:35).

    "Not yours is it to know times or eras ..." (Acts 1:7).

    "I shall be arriving on you as a thief, and under no circumstances will you be knowing what hour I shall be arriving" (Rev. 3:3).

There we have eight separate Scriptural explanations as to why and how Christ returns as a thief, and not one of these Scriptures connects a thief with the ominousness of gloominess, darkness, and the like. Christ does not return as a thief because it is gloomy out. He does not return as a thief because He will come in the middle of the night. And He does not come as a thief because that He, Himself, is a thief. No, none of these. He comes as a thief, unexpectedly. That’s it. We don’t know when. All eight verses pinpoint the one aspect of unexpectedness! 

Seems so many in the world are expecting the world to end on Dec. 21st midnight. All I wanna know is will that be midnight EST?  :P

the truth:
Hello,
Just for a thought! quote.....
Seems so many in the world are expecting the world to end on Dec. 21st midnight. All I wanna know is will that be midnight EST?.......  hehe.

First to say, I am only using your quote diggs to express a thought.I marvel how puny men view the scripture as if they know what it will tell verses what it want tell you.
For example,The scripture say "know one knows the day or hour"Remember the rule NO scripture is of its own private interpertation?It seems to me if we look at these versesin Matt-24-29-44. I have all the reason to believe I should know his coming.

v-29-31-When is this AFTER the tribulation of those days.So if I understand Daniel 70-weeks I would then be able to come to understanding of a time period .And since we are at the door step of the middle of Daniel 70 week.The great tribulation! verse 30 says the signwhat is the sign for?Why does he say that ?If no one knows the day or hour?What good is a sign if no one knows there is one?

V-30-"SOUND OF A TRUMPET" if we really believed the Scripture -Matt-5-17-19 that would be a great help!!!Because then we would realize not only the obvious but also a key to understanding his return As the reigning Messiah.Does the re-newed covenant....aka "new" do a word study on that...means to renew.Does the renewed Covenant Quote old testament verses .from Isa-419-times,ps-414 times,gen-260 times,ex-250,Deu-208,Eze-141,Dan-133,Jer-125,Lev-107,Num-73 times if they are not relevent to the renewed coveant?If "Yeshua" used it to teach from as well as Paul then it should be good enough.If we say no" Torah"Then is Adultery fair game?We can pick and choose which ones we accept and which ones we will do?Do we not rip the rainbow out of the sky today because we think its pretty or we believe we can trust our creator in a covenant.Is that not the greatest lOVE story ever told how he died on the cross to remarry his bride.Paul calls it the great mystery!

v-34-question when does this generation pass away?Lk-24-44...iF YOU BELEIVE that verse ..You would know that Zech speaks of many things that have to be fullfilled  during the Milli-um reign.So could v-34 refer to the new heaven and new earth?v-35".Heaven and earth will pass away".SO ARE WE TO BELIEVE THAT THE NEW HEAVEN  AND NEW EARTH.... Rev-21-1.Will pass away?Sure hope not!thus he states in v-36 -"But of that day"I think his speaking of the new heaven and new earth day.Since we know he has a order there is some work to be done after the White throne judgement to be all in all.Who knows how long it will take to complete that work?Only God!And again whats the sign for ?Then in verse 37 he picks back up with his thought of the coming of the Son of Man.

verse 43-44 also tell me I should know something..."Therefore you also be ready"THE Scripture says 1Thess 5-1-5 we should know!As well if we believe 1 Cor 2-10-13.

I want to say I already know how this will go over with most trust me on that.The point of my post is lets stop putting God in a box on what we THINK HE WILL SHOW US VERSES WHAT HE WILL SHOWS US IF WE ARE TRULY CHILDREN OF LIGHT. WE WILL NOT BE CAUGHT AS A THIEF!

DOES "PEACE AND SAFETY"  ring a lot louder after the events of the school shootings?Its interesting to me that some are taking down the Christmas  decorations and saying they don't even feel like celebrating Christmas..Praise God!Could that be the whole point of the events.REPENT!!!!!!

LETS STOP TAKING AWAY HIS WORDS WHEN HE SAYS NOT ONE JOT OR TITEL WILL PASS!!!tHE CHURCH ON EVER CORNER DOES IT BY TAKING AWAY THE OLD TESTAMENT.AND OTHER DO IT AS WELL WITH THIER.... .New COVENANT.Again I will not respond to trying to convince anyone of what I see the Scripture teach.

I ALSO WILL SAY HE COMES AS A THIEF TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT CHILDREN OF LIGHT BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HIS RETURN !MATT -16-3!

eggi:
Hi the truth,

I just can't see this the way you see it. If you please, could you explain this passage (using the word "renewed").

Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. But now hath he obtained a more excellent (renewed?) ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better (renewed?) covenant, which was established upon better (renewed?) promises.
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second (the renewed?). (Would you renew something that had fault?)

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new (renewed?) covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

For this is the covenant (the renewed?) that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
In that he saith, A new (renewed?) covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God bless you,
Eirik

Dave in Tenn:
I'm not about to tackle that whole post, thetruth.  But let me use one statement of yours as an example.  You said, "If we say no" Torah "Then is Adultery fair game?"

The NEW that Jesus preached is this:

Mat 5:27,28  Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery (one of the 10 commandments):
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The NEW reaches into the heart.  Not only is it not "fair game" to commit adultery, but it's no longer 'fair game' to look on a woman to lust because THAT IS committing adultery in the heart.  That wasn't in the law for those who did not have a heart, eyes, and ears to receive it.  If you can imagine a situation where a man commits the sexual act of adultery without already having committed it in his heart, then I'm stumped to understand.  Can you imagine a man who does not physically commit adultery but does so in his heart?  I imagine MOST men have been guilty of that.  Almost all.  And those who haven't, still get caught in another.  Neither of those is "fair game" NOW.

Indeed, for those with eyes, ears and a heart to believe, this 'adultery' is not just sexual, but Spiritual.

It's actually those seeking to follow the Old Covenant letter who have to (are forced to) pick and choose!  There IS NO MORE TEMPLE to conduct sacrifice.  Yet even the most ardent of 'old covenant' believing christians is able to understand that the sacrifice of Christ fulfills all the requirements of the law concerning sacrifice.  Why then is it so difficult to see that the ministry, life, death, resurrection and return of Christ fulfills ALL the law and prophets? 

Does that leave us free to whore around and commit adultery?  NO...WE are not even to commit adultery IN OUR HEARTS!  Why not?  Because Moses said not to?  NO, because Jesus said not to.  New Covenant believers are not to practice any number of sins.  Why not?  Because it says so in Leviticus?  No, because it says so in the Epistles. 

Ray teaches differently on the meaning of the "thief in the night".  He teaches differently on the distinction between the New and the Old Covenants.  And he devoted very little attention to the physical 'end of the age'. 

You've been warned privately and publicly about the rules of this forum.  How many times must it happen?  Teach all you want, only elsewhere. 

 

Dennis Vogel:
This thread is kind of an experiment to see if people can discuss without teaching or arguing.

It's starting to fail.

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