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Joey Porter:
--- Quote from: jenny06 on July 28, 2006, 11:51:07 PM ---Joey, that Arnold may be refering what you said in your last post. Specifically he may have been making reference to the Catholics and Protestant and Calvinist thing.
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It's not that I believe they'll go to a ''hell" because they taught it. But they will be tormented by being led to believe that they'll go to this place of torment with which they've scared others. For all the fear and torment they've caused others with this teaching, they will go through the same fear and torment of believing they will go there. They will be told "I will judge you by your own words" and they will believe thatk means they will go to hell. That will be torment in and of itself.
Joey Porter:
--- Quote from: orion77 on July 29, 2006, 12:24:49 AM ---Joey, this is an interesting topic. The sword, tongue, and the words we use, have a connection.
(Psa 57:4) My soul is among lions; I lie among those on fire, the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue is a sharp sword.
(Psa 64:2) Hide me from the counsel of those who injure, from the tumult of evildoers,
(Psa 64:3) who sharpen their tongue like a sword; they tread their arrows, a bitter word,
(Isa 66:16) For by fire and by His sword Jehovah will execute judgment with all flesh; and the slain of Jehovah shall be many.
Words are like swords, which cut asunder, or they lead to peace. The tongue is but a small member of the body, but what power it has.
(Heb 4:12) For the Word of God is living, and powerfully working, and sharper than every two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of both soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge of the thoughts and intentions of the heart;
Knowing that God works in each life, but not at the same time. I see where God has me now, and I remember where I was. What a difference He has made. And what a long way to go. This whole process is what He has done, so how can we judge another, seeing it is His work to do as He pleases.
For me, it seems that suffering for His names sake, is what brings about discernment. Amazing the good that comes out of hard times. The end result, what the suffering teaches us is far greater than the pains while going through these hard times.
I am just so grateful that He came, not to condemn, but to save, and I think this is what we are to become. So many around us are in the business of condemning, hurting and murdering by their words, yet this is not the example He set for us to follow.
God bless,
Gary
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I agree that we shouldn't be going around condemning others in a carnal, self righteous way. However, we can discern the hearts of our brothers and if we look deeply at the spiritual message of the bible, we can begin to line up different passages of scripture with certian people's actions and attitudes. We can then have a better understanding of how to rebuke them, feeding their needed food allowance at the proper time.
Remember, Jesus told us that we will know trees by their fruit. But we first need the understanding to justly analyze people's fruits.
orion77:
Yes, I agree Joey.
The vast majority of people want to live in harmony with each other, yet this majority have not learned the way of peace through Gods word. Impossible thing to find real peace, outside of God, in this world, yet this is what we all have done, and have been guilty of.
That ole beast does not easily want to relinquish his control. Worldly religion just adds wood to the fire, seeing where I was, and where God has me now. Wow, big difference.
I think we can all see a little better now being out of the deception that goes on in relligion. I have had better discussions about God with publilcans and sinners, than so called religious people. Maybe that is why Jesus spent so much time with them, just to get away from the hypocrisy and relax.
Again good topic, and here is to ya. Been working hard all week and just opened a can of beer to relax a little. Peace.
God bless,
Gary
Dan:
1 Corinthinans 5
12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
Almost everyone looks at verses like this with fleshly understanding. They do the very same thing the scribes and pharisees did to the woman who was caught in adultry.
They believed she was a sinner and need to be Expelled.
Jesus told them that the one who is without sin can start the expelling.(cast the first stone)
Joh 8:9 But hearing, and being convicted by the conscience, they went out one by one, beginning from the older ones, until the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the middle.
Joh 8:10 And Jesus bending back up, and having seen no one but the woman, He said to her, Woman, where are those, the accusers of you? Did not one give judgment against you?
Joh 8:11 And she said, No one, Lord. And Jesus said to her, Neither do I judge you. Go, and sin no more.
Joh 8:12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, I am the Light of the world. The one following Me will in no way walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.
The only one who was qualified to expel or cast a stone or punish for sins done, chose to give mercy and love and forgiveness. This is the way those who are qualified to judge others will judge, not by "punishment, reproof, correction, lashes" but by mercy!
Rom 9:16 So, then, it is not of the one willing, nor of the one running, but of the One showing mercy, of God
Rom 11:31 so also these now have disobeyed, so that they also may obtain mercy by your mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God shut up all into disobedience, that He may show mercy to all.
Luk 10:36 Who, then, of these three seems to you to have become a neighbor to the one having fallen among the plunderers?
Luk 10:37 And he said, The one doing the deed of mercy with him. Then Jesus said to him, Go, and you do likewise.
This is what it is to be Christ like, we forgive them because they dont know what they are doing!
"Expel the wicked man from among you" -- this is YOU
remember the scribes and pharisees went to expel the wicked woman only to be expelled themselves.
When Christ says to get the plank out of your eye FIRST. He saying show mercy on others because you have sin also. no finger pointing, no expelling..
and if you are without sin (no more plank) you are to judge like Christ judged ..."Jesus said to her, Neither do I judge you"
Rom 3:10 according as it has been written, "There is not a righteous one, not even one!"
Rom 3:11 "There is not one understanding; there is not one seeking God."
Rom 3:12 All turned away, they became worthless together, not one is doing goodness, not so much as one!
Rom 3:23 for all sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption in Christ Jesus
when we read the scriptures, those of the flesh are blinded and deaf. Those of the spirit see with their eyes and hear with their ears.
The flesh sees: wrath, judgement, pain, retribution, punishment, you get what you deserve
The Spirit sees: Love, Forgiveness, Mercy, Grace
Luk 7:41 There were two debtors to a certain creditor: the one owed five hundred denarii and the other fifty.(one sinned more than the other)
Luk 7:42 But they not having a thing to pay, he freely forgave both. Then which of them do you say will love him most?
Luk 7:43 And answering, Simon said, I suppose the one to whom he freely forgave the most. And He said to him, You have judged rightly.
rocky:
--- Quote from: Dan on August 03, 2006, 12:46:05 PM ---....This is what it is to be Christ like, we forgive them because they dont know what they are doing!
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This is what it is to be Christ like, we forgive them because they dont know what they are doing!
what about these verses???? not knowing what they are doing versus having known and rejected???
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Rom 3:12 All turned away, they became worthless together, not one is doing goodness, not so much as one!
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