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Adam and Eve were NEVER perfect and were born into sin.
roperfam:
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--- Quote from: broken ---I need to understand the general conception regarding the reason that Adam and Eve could not possibly be created perfect. Here's the concise version of what I'm hearing:
If it was in God's plan that Adam and Eve live in sin, then they could not possibly have been created perfect or else the Tree of Life would not be tempting to them, for temptation only occurs in the carnal mind (carnal is a word that tends to be overabused and misunderstood on this board also, but that's another discussion).
Am I right in my assessment?
Brandon
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The two Adams were both made innocent, and they had no shame. It does not say they were perfect.
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Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
:D :D
broken:
--- Quote from: rvhill ---
--- Quote from: broken ---I need to understand the general conception regarding the reason that Adam and Eve could not possibly be created perfect. Here's the concise version of what I'm hearing:
If it was in God's plan that Adam and Eve live in sin, then they could not possibly have been created perfect or else the Tree of Life would not be tempting to them, for temptation only occurs in the carnal mind (carnal is a word that tends to be overabused and misunderstood on this board also, but that's another discussion).
Am I right in my assessment?
Brandon
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The two Adams were both made innocent, and they had no shame. It does not say they were perfect.
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1. Jesus had to be perfect...otherwise his sacrifice is invalidated.
2. Further than that, innocence is perfection. Innocence must be sinlessness, which is perfection.
Brandon
Nelson:
Hi Brandon,
Nothing to do with this topic, just wanted to say nice to see you back again.
Hope all is well with you and yours
Grace and peace
Nelson
Sonia:
I second the welcome! Nice to see you again.
I guess the question to consider is "What does it mean that Christ is the second Adam?"
Brandon, I think you're arguing that Adam was created perfect because Jesus is perfect? Is there scriptural basis for that?
Sonia
rvhill:
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--- Quote from: rvhill ---
--- Quote from: broken ---I need to understand the general conception regarding the reason that Adam and Eve could not possibly be created perfect. Here's the concise version of what I'm hearing:
If it was in God's plan that Adam and Eve live in sin, then they could not possibly have been created perfect or else the Tree of Life would not be tempting to them, for temptation only occurs in the carnal mind (carnal is a word that tends to be overabused and misunderstood on this board also, but that's another discussion).
Am I right in my assessment?
Brandon
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The two Adams were both made innocent, and they had no shame. It does not say they were perfect.
--- End quote ---
1. Jesus had to be perfect...otherwise his sacrifice is invalidated.
2. Further than that, innocence is perfection. Innocence must be sinlessness, which is perfection.
Brandon
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You miss understand me, by the two Adams I meant Adam and Eve, as they are both Adam, tell they eat of the fruit. Jesus is a Separate person From Adam. I nave call Jesus Adam. They are both the son of God, but no two brother are the same.
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