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Being called out of the church
Patrick:
--- Quote from: keys2heaven on October 09, 2006, 03:47:27 PM ---This is my second post here but this is exaclty the topic I prayed for!
MY first thoughts after reading some fo Ray's teachings and his views on church was, "Oh no, we're going to have to pack up and leave. Or, at least I will".
We attend a Nazarene church. If anyone is familiar with that denomination then you know that many of the church's doctrines are exactly those that Ray goes to great lengths to prove are wrong using God's word and Truth. That said, I am afraid that if people knew what I really think then I/we would be asked to leave. Can you imagine a Nazarene professing that tithing is unscriptural? Huh?!?! But, I would in a second if asked.
We don't want to leave. Why? Our motto is this..."Doing life togehter". We value relationships, not only with each other but our ultimate relationship with Jesus. Our church doesn't go on and on about the "holiness" doctrine that some other Nazarene churches teach. Our worship is contemperary and I am heavilly involved with this. I sing and play trumpet and believe that these God-given gifts are to be used to help others. Outside of church, I see very little opportunity to use these unless I stand on a street corner somewhere.
We have two teenage daughters and whether or not they admit it, we believe that it benefits them to be involved with the youth of the church. However, I've been sharing what I've read here to them when the opportunity presents itself.
So, for now, we stay. We don't feel guilty about not "tithing" but we do give. Yes, sometimes its money and sometimes its clothes or food, depending on the need.
--- End quote ---
Those folks at the last Mobile conference help me out here; I believe I heard Ray speak very briefly about not poo-pooing on the church too bad because that is where most of the many called few chosen come from. I can't remember his exact words, is that close?
hillsbororiver:
Hi Patrick,
Yes, that was about the essence of what Ray said at the Conference and it is true, that is where the elect are called out from and the church is serving it's purpose in that regard.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Keys2Heaven
I know what you mean....I too was comfortable in my Church....rather like comfortable with alcohal or drugs...no...I have not been either an alcohalic or a drug adict.. a sinner Yes....for (we have ALL fallen short of His Glory)...nevertheless, after reading your post it just reminded me of me and I wanted to write to you.....
What I read in Ray's Lake Of Fire part 2 THEY SPEAK WITH FORKED-ED TONGUE.. I never knew before I only found out much later after my Church had made me stumble, fall and fail....it was sweet while it lasted though....because I did not know I was stumbling falling and failing because of the sweet smell of anesthetic... Deception has a sweet smell!....it is us who stink in their nostrils as in the stench of death....Don't be surprised if that starts happening to you....It happened to me and it was a SHOCK.....an unexpected shock
I hear me in your post and I see me ....and it can not but hurt because after all, we do not come to Christ of our own....He draggs us.....I see HIM dragging you, calling you....leading you....helping you....
2 Cor 2:15,16..For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:....to the latter it is an aroma wafted from death to death, a fatal odor, the smell of doom.....
That smell I became to my Chuch members......I had NO IDEA!...BUT THEY DID!
I have been brought here by the loving care of Christs Spirit Himself as I know you have been too......I have had trouble coming to terms with the loss of my outside comfort zone (Church fellow-shop for souls) ....I was a Cell leader and Minister of the Word and daily I attended Church so like you, I was...."heavily involved"....and now I am called out.....as He has guided me towards the experience that His Kingdom is truly within....I have recieved generous help from and through Christs wisdom, council and comfort here. Please do not get me wrong. it is not my place to teach or preach but I can share ..an I am so glad I did....
May your joy increase as you follow after Christ....
Arcturus :)
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dcfreedom:
clv luke 12:51-53; 51 Are you supposing that I came along to give peace to the earth? No, I am saying to you, but rather division,
52 For from now on there will be five in one home divided, three against two, and two against three will be divided,
53 father against son and son against father, and mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
clv luke 14:26-27; 26 "If anyone is coming to Me and is not hating his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, and still more his soul besides, he can not be My disciple.
27 And anyone who is not bearing his cross and coming after Me, can not be My disciple.
now this does not mean that you have to literally hate your family. what it means is this. your love and devotion to him should be to the point that everything else actually feels like it is coming between you and christ. this would feel like hate. for example if you felt like someone was coming between you and your spouse would you not feel like hating them? christ not only wants you to love him he wants you to be in love with him( hence the bridegroom is coming for his bride the church ).
it is very hard for me to talk to my family sometimes because they are so full of themselves in what they believe (not that i never have been) i sometimes could almost hate them because they are coming between christ and myself. i do understand the conflick. look at it this way, God is in control and he will take care of things. when it is time for you to change your scenery you will know. one more thing, always remember everyone we love is going to be saved either now or later. so don't worry too much, just seek God's wisdom and counsil and you will be just fine.
stego:
Hey all,
Joyful1, i noticed you said
--- Quote ---but that is just not happening for me....so, that must not be God's will , right?
--- End quote ---
I just wanted to make sure you are not troubled with the thought that "Something's not happening now, therefore it's God's will for it not to be happening, therefore if i do anything to make it happen i would be going against God's will.". This is a very dangerous untrue thought to think. I believe it is important for all of us to try to do what is right based on what we understand God's will to be, not based on what God has already caused to happen. Otherwise, we can think things like "I'm depressed, therefore God wants me to be depressed, therefore i shouldn't try do anything to change being depressed." What a depressing thought eh? I'm not saying this is what you are saying Joyful, but your quote brought this point to my mind.
As far as being called out of the church goes, for me it was a little different in that i have only attended church 3 times that i can remember in my life. So i never really regularly attended church. However, i DID believe in some of the damable hersies that i now know to be untrue, simply because i believed that if the bible said it then it must be true, although the thought of people going to hell never really did sit well with me. I did on occasion comfort myself with the scripture "With God all things are possible." That scripture allowed me to believe that God would still somehow save people from hell, maybe after they had been there awhile. But, thank goodness God led me here to learn the truth that no one goes to hell!
God Bless,
Sean
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