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lilitalienboi16:
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cjwood:
--- Quote from: Metamatic on March 02, 2013, 05:46:59 PM ---
... But, HIS JUDGEMENTS serves a purpose (torture is the antithesis to MERCY!) Now, it is that simple.
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thank you metamatic for your post response. i especially like the words you put in parenthesis which i've highlighted in blue above.
God's mercy abides for ever. even into the next age and until all have been saved. any torturing of people on His part would be going against His own character.
claudia
sunsetdramaking:
--- Quote from: cjwood on March 03, 2013, 10:06:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: Metamatic on March 02, 2013, 05:46:59 PM ---
... But, HIS JUDGEMENTS serves a purpose (torture is the antithesis to MERCY!) Now, it is that simple.
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thank you metamatic for your post response. i especially like the words you put in parenthesis which i've highlighted in blue above.
God's mercy abides for ever. even into the next age and until all have been saved. any torturing of people on His part would be going against His own character.
claudia
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Amen to that! I'm so grateful that such a schizophrenic God (that overwhelms and replaces any love with torture and spite) is a LIE. Such an unmerciful and hateful God who despises people more than we could ever manage to sink in our own hearts enough to hate (aka: eternally)" DOES NOT EXIST (except in the carnal minds of spiritually depraved individuals/churches)
How simple it is to see, how simple that is once God opens your eyes and grants such profound life changing truth:
Christ taught to LOVE and DO GOOD to our enemies, so I can't help but KNOW with conviction (by studying his actions and teachings in His Word), that He won't be the ultimate hypocrite like these fools would make him out to be in the. Woe to their blasphemy and their coming judgment for teachings such things going against Christ's own teachings about doing Good. Yet, those that are destined to die still teaching such nonsense, God won't torture forever (what an amazing God!), they will ultimately be cleansed and forgiven, but I can't imagine how awful that judgement is going to be, because those that are most sincere about defaming God so severely, will learn just how Just and Measured God's judgements are, but at the same time how terrible a balanced judgement still is...even though many stripes can never be "unlimited" striped (thankfully our true God does have a VALID sense of justice), stomping all over the character of God by turning him into a tyrannical monster, and rolling your eyes and His absolute capability to accomplish ALL He wills and desires is pure folly and I'm so grateful and don't blasphemy God in this way anymore by having such awful beliefs in my heart. (God wills and desires to save all men, to have all come to the knowledge of the truth, to save sinners, to save the world, etc..) and by His own Word, HE WILL HAVE IT COME TO PASS. PERIOD.
I say anyone who tries to rationalize around this simple truth is a liar and so they will "have their part" in the Lake of Fire...I will trust in God's word and His perfect character and capability more than any "religion" or "doctrine" and if somehow against all odds I'm wrong on this point, then I will fail on the side of love-enduring, mercy never ending, and TOTAL victory with Christ's sacrifice; completely actualized for everyone and everything, and if the gates of heaven should somehow be closed against any sincerely seeking soul, and I somehow still have been blessed enough (in light of individual sincerity perhaps?) "make it in", then I'll be the first one sticking my "foot" out to keep those gates swung open a bit longer, and all theology, beliefs, faiths, and knowledge that separate anyone from the Love of God (ultimately speaking) and the Love I have in me from God as He commanded, be DAMNED.
1Cr 13:2 And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
So HAVE LOVE, and know that the difference between LOVE and HATE is only the biggest difference you can conceptualize, at least it is between REAL LOVE (aka forgiveness, mercy, unconditional, etc...) and the opposite, which is hatred, ETERNALLY. (aka torture for the sake of torture, not correction), it blows my mind that there is even a way to conflate the two concepts, it just amazes me to see now how twisted the scriptures can be for a person who in their mind and heart has already settled in bed comfortably embracing their hatred of others sooo absolutely, so much that it takes place over ever needing to love them as Christ would have us do. So if you must uphold your "knowledge" of eternal hell and judgment so high, know this: YOU ARE NOTHING, as scripture declares it.
Rhys 🕊:
Nicely said there Sunsetdramaking(Brett). Thanks for openess in the way you shared, it blesses me so much to hear stuff like you just mentioned.
That sort of love is something I've been thinking a lot about recently. Especially in the sense of how we relate to another.
John 13:34 I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. As I have loved you, you should also love one another.
John 13:35 By this all shall know that you are My disciples, if you have love toward one another.
God puts a love in my heart for people and I shouldn't be afraid to show that love. He gives it to us to give it out and so freely you have received so freely give. It's such a beautiful awesome love that you just can't keep it to yourself and when you give it, it feels so good. It's love straight from the heart of God and does so much good to those around us even if they don't thank you for it. It's who God is and shows that we are His disciples. Even when I go through my trials I still give it out and it does me good to, even if I think well what about me, who's there for me and often there is no one. I then think wow! God is using me to show His love to others in a way I never thought I could because it's Him working through me and I'm so blessed that He would use me in anyway.
I go down the track sometimes of getting angry with people and start getting hatred in me. Less and less these days. It seems so pointless to act like this, it steals my joy and never helps those around me. Why ever do it?
Luk 6:31 And as you desire that men should do to you, you do also to them likewise.
Luk 6:32 For if you love those who love you, what thanks do you have? For sinners also love those who love them.
Luk 6:33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what thanks do you have? For sinners also do the same.
Luk 6:34 And if you lend to those of whom you hope to receive, what thanks do you have? For sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
Luk 6:35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return. And your reward shall be great, and you shall be the sons of the Highest. For He is kind to the unthankful and to the evil.
So God wants us to do what the verses say above. So lets do it then and love our enemies. What a most evil thought it is that God would expect us to do this but won't do it Himself. It's just vile. God is so much more love than what He puts in me. He wants me to use the love He gives for good. He is perfect love so how much more good is He going to do for all people. When He fills with the love that I'm talking about then you will know and struggle to ever doubt again. God is so great and loving we often just don't see it. He has filled me with such wonderful love at times I just contain it and I truly say Wow! what love is this? It's just the best and I don't find anything that even comes close to matching it. It sets me free and I can be everything the God wants me to be despite anything that I am going through.
Let us rejoice in our God who will not fail us and will save all. One day we will all be surrounded in such awesome beautiful love. It makes me cry thinking about it. It's who God is and one day we will all it see it and be astonished at such beauty.
I'll finish with this verse:
Rom 12:10 In your brotherly love, unto one another, being tenderly affectioned, in honour, unto one another, giving preference;
May God's so perfect, wonderful, awesome love fill each one of you too overflowing.
Rhys
ICXCNIKA:
Sunsetdramaking, ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON!
Knuckleheads like darwin fish, and fred phelps (westboro) have nothing of worth to offer, to "any kind" of Christian! GOD'S Name is blasphemed by these unstable minds, and they will find themselves facing the terrible wrath of GOD for attributing such a vicious character to The PRINCE OF PEACE, But unlike they, GOD is MERCIFUL and this "terrible wrath" will be from the LOVING heart of GOD, and ultimately be for the purpose of chastisement (i.e., correction). darwin fish, and fred phelps are small men; small in mind and small in heart—who serve a dark, imaginary and vile despot. Our FATHER is JUST ( 2 Thessalonians 1:6) and HE is LIGHT (1 John 1:5)
Christendom is an old circus, with a multitude of different acts; all of 'em, performing with clowns.
"For, many, will come upon my name, saying—I, am the Christ,—and will, deceive many." (Matthew 24:5)
It's unbelievable that mere humans could honestly believe that THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING would need our money as tbn, creflo dollar, joyce meyer, etc insist that HE does! You can guarantee that all of those lying used car salesmen avoid 1 Timothy 3:3
Equally pathetic are those who confess to have a faith and hope in JESUS CHRIST, but then believe that HE would want HIS GOOD NEWS watered down into these generic oprah approved, self-realization type motivational speeches and positive thinking books! What kind of fluffy "purpose driven" nonsense is that garbage? It isn't even a whiff of the milk of GOD'S WORD! "But they're not greedy like the prosperity hucksters, are they?" :-\ Well, let's see... joel osteen, rick warren and rest of these "christian" deepak cobras are nothing more or less than dyed-in-the-wool humanist. These charismatic "self-help gurus" need to conform to CHRIST (Romans 12:2) and drop their "well-being" tomfoolery! But, it's not in their best interest to stray from what it's ALL really about...
The Financial-Driven Life ...So, not so different from the used car sales men, eh? ;)
Joyce and Joel skip along—hand 'n hand—happily to the Bank of Prosperity, whistling "When The Saints Go Marching In"
...Of course all of this is done with a positive attitude that anticipates a huge withdrawal! ;)
Like Ray said "It's only about the money!"
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