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Our irrefutable propitiation part 2

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dean kevin heyes:
Hi Craig I am a little perplexed by your post, as I  have made no such claim, by stateing the Shroud Of Turin to be authentic , how could I do such a thing, being not a witness to it ? because I assume it to be authentic has no value in itself ! If it makes you uncomfortable that these three men, one being an athiest, have made such statements, your quarrel is with them { be they alive} You then go on to state that no one can be sure ? And by this statement  you also make Alex a false witness, as he openly stated the Shroud Of Turin to be fake .So if John, Alex and yourself have doubts to the authentisity of this matter as you state no one can be sure,why are the three of you persecuting me, because in my opinion it could be the work of GOD. I only mentioned the Shroud in my initial post because it depicts the wound on CHRISTS left side and not his wright as the majority of portrayals do??? Getting bogged down in a debate over its authentisity was not my intention . If there are those of you who do not believe the Shroud Of Turin to be the linen clothes of Christ, I respect your opinion, and being that this is my testimony of how I was dragged to the feet of JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOR all I ask in return is that you respect mine to  :(       

Craig:
Dean, you are free to believe anything and everything you wish.  If you say the moon is made of cheese and the world is flat I have no quarrels with you.  But when you state your opinion and another member gives you scripture to possibly disprove it and then you answer back by attacking them as a "false witness" or you directed John to Proverbs 16:18.  Honestly, by evidence of your posts the only "pride" and "haughty spirit" I have seen exhibited here is by you.

Craig

dean kevin heyes:
Hi C.DRIGS I am starting to wounder if my writings are legible, or that they are not being read accurately ???? Yes of course CHRIST had given up HIS spirit to THE FATHER as HIS heart broke prior to the thrust of the spear, hence HIS spleen had more than likely had swollen from  Pint to 1.7 pints + the 240ml of blood his heart would have held gushed out, I would have gone into more detail of this by now. but got bogged down in a disspute of opinion  :-\   In my opinion the point you made about  doubting Tom is irrelevent as he came to believe, now you could argue that those who believed prior to witnessing Christs resurection, haveing seen JESUS  went on to believe more than Tom . But I will argue that Tom, haveing asked for proof, and upon receiving it, went on to be as believing as the others{ tho be it by his shame of his doubt }  as is the case with me and who's to say the others had not dought before they laid eyes on our LORD ???  And besides who are we to decide how GOD should call his children out of darkness and into HIS light ? I asked GOD to give me proof, HE did,{ and know I know, as before I believed } I would hardly have asked GOD to remove my doubt, had I not believed in HIM in the first place, where would the truth be in that  :P GOD bless   

arion:
Dean;

This is a place to discuss the teachings of Ray Smith and not our own personal teachings or things that interest us personally that Ray has not taught on.  There are plenty of other places on the net to do those things.  Ray has left us enough material for a lifetime of study.  Nothing wrong about asking questions about what Ray has taught or asking if Ray ever had anything to say about this or that.  However as a new member it might not be wisdom to come in and be dogmatic or go off on a tangent about things that were not taught here.  We do well to stick to the materials we already have here and that is what the forum is for.

dean kevin heyes:
Hi Craig    I referred the scripture PROVERBS 16:18 to John because his opening statement was  I HATE TO MENTION THE SCRIPTURES  he then went on to change the word HEAD with his own word FACE  ??????? But when I warn my bretheren of their error in this case, the verse being a warning  and when I had clearly shown Alex that he was in danger of bearing false witness as you also made clear  ??? You say you dont care what I belive in ??? this is trully an odd statement for someone who is an administrator on a forum where faith in GOD of the Holy Bible is paramount . This is most unfortunate, all I want is to be possative and share my testimony  :-[   

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