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Eve thought it was a good idea?
dodrill:
Just a thought
Why did the serpent have permission to tempt/ deceive Eve/ women first?
What is significant in a feminine agenda that can overlook physical power and see replicated love?
Yes - like female birds - we might need that shinny object for the nest or was it always vanity?
Just a thought
Rhys 🕊:
Good question there Hayley. Found this from Ray so might help
http://bible-truths.com/lake2.html
Is anyone so naive and blind as to believe that God had prepared a Lamb, a Sacrifice, His SON, to be slain for the sins of the world at a time when theologians would have us believe God didn’t even KNOW there was shortly coming such a thing as SIN? God knew; God is smart! It was God Who created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It was God Who placed it right in the middle of the garden to catch Eve’s eye. It was God Who made the tree particularly attractive and desirable. It was God who placed in the humans the desires and passions that would CAUSE them to partake of the forbidden fruit. It was God who placed Satan the serpent in the garden to tempt Eve and fill her head with the glories of enlightenment. It was God Who had ALREADY made preparation for their salvation through the slain Lamb of God.
Only ignorant and foolish theologians would ever charge God of being ignorant of the conduct and behavior of His own creation. It was not the temptation or deception entering INTO Eve that caused her to sin and bring separation from her Creator and God. It was what was already in her that caused her to sin. Proof:
"For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies" (Mat. 15:19).
Notice it: "And when the woman saw [in her heart] that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eye [in her heart], and a tree to be desired [in her heart] to make one wise [an idol of the heart], she took [’For out of the heart proceed ... thefts...’] of the fruit thereof, and did eat" (Gen. 3:6).
Did you notice that last phrase "...and did eat"? It was not the "eating" of the fruit that made her a sinner -- she had ALREADY sinned by looking, lusting, and fantasizing about her potential wisdom. It was AFTER she sinned that she "did eat."
My experience of women thinks they like shiny objects and of course us men are perfect - your in trouble now Rhys ???
Being serious - It was God's doing to use the women.
Anyway before I get into trouble I better go.
Rhys ;)
Rhys 🕊:
Sorry Hayley. I shouldn't of entered this topic. I don't really know what I'm talking about. It was in off topics when I replied hence my silliness.
From the same paper:
It was not possible for Adam and Eve NOT TO SIN -- they were created for the express purpose of being molded into the "image of God;" and so of course, they had to eat of the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil or they would have NEVER reached this first spiritual step in becoming LIKE GOD (in His IMAGE,) a step of paramount DIVINE REQUISITE:
"And the LORD God said, Behold [consider, to perceive, to know, to understand], the man is BECOME AS ONE OF US [Hebrew for ‘God’ is elohiym which is the plural of elowahh, hence ‘us’], TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL..." (Gen. 3:22).
Knowing "good and evil" is one of the most essential requisites in being formed in the image of God. To truly "know" both good and evil they HAD to partake of its source, which was the "TREE of the knowledge of good and evil," which then DEMANDED that they SIN in order to obtain this "knowledge." NO OTHER TREE IN THE GARDEN POSSESSED THIS NEEDED KNOWLEDGE!
I'm not sure why it matters if Eve was first or Adam, they both sinned and always would of. And now in that verse above we have God having a go at the man. Well maybe life is unfair for being a women but if that's the case then it's unfair for being a man as well. I can think of plenty of women that God doesn't have a go at but He has a go at me. Unfair God why don't you have a go at the women. It's all nonsense and God has His way of doing things and I don't question it but just accept it. Throw me on the rubbish pile first if you want Lord - I don't care, God can do what He wants and He will do.
I don't think I fully understand what you are asking here Hayley but then I'm just a stupid man.
I think you answered your own question about overpopulation and unwanted births. To me such a thing does not exist. If it does then it looks like God isn't in control after all.
I can remove my posts if you want or the mods can if I'm on the wrong track.
Just trying to add my bit which I know isn't much. Hopefully others will have far better responses than my silly comments.
I'm not a women hater so please don't anyone think that way.
Bless you Hayley
Rhys
santgem:
--- Quote from: Rhys on March 22, 2013, 06:35:22 PM ---Good question there Hayley. Found this from Ray so might help
http://bible-truths.com/lake2.html
. It was what was already in her that caused her to sin. Proof:
"For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies" (Mat. 15:19).
Notice it: "And when the woman saw [in her heart] that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eye [in her heart], and a tree to be desired [in her heart] to make one wise [an idol of the heart], she took [’For out of the heart proceed ... thefts...’] of the fruit thereof, and did eat" (Gen. 3:6).
Did you notice that last phrase "...and did eat"? It was not the "eating" of the fruit that made her a sinner -- she had ALREADY sinned by looking, lusting, and fantasizing about her potential wisdom. It was AFTER she sinned that she "did eat."
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The question is:
Is there already a law that makes eve to sin before she did eat the fruit?
What makes eve to sin before she did eat the fruit?
GaryK:
--- Quote from: hayley on March 22, 2013, 07:34:03 PM --- Why we are facing overpopulation and unwanted births?
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Hayley,
Who says we are facing overpopulation?
Nonsense. That's equivalent to Ray's paper discussing one of the great current day theologian stating population shouldn't live in certain parts of the world because of disasters. Silly.
--- Quote ---And who said they were unwanted births?
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There is no such thing as an "unwanted birth", unless perhaps it's "unwanted" from a human perspective but from God's perspective every birth is planned therefore wanted.
Don't listen to the "world", man's wisdom gets one nowhere.
--- Quote ---and do we still eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad daily?
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Living life IS eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, daily. How else are we to die daily to self?
Although I do know a few who believe they have "been washed in the blood" and no longer sin because they have said the 10 second prayer, given their life to Christ, and "walked the aisle". Course, they're the same ones who'll glutton the Sunday fried chicken legs and mashed taters like it's their last meal, but that's another story. ;D
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