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Losing the will to live... Feels like I was born in Hell
Rene:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on October 17, 2013, 07:12:15 PM ---Conversion can be such an ugly process.
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But the end result will be quite beautiful! 8)
René
cjwood:
There is no such thing as hopeless.
we all may be hopeless at some time or other in our lives, as we life in this body of flesh john. that does not mean we remain hopeless, but we experience a feeling of hopelessness. there are many reasons one may have a time of feeling hopeless. i remember you felt "too devastated" at one point in your life, per a post reply by you to another forum member, to do anything but fall on your face in prayer and supplication. was this feeling of being too devastated not also a feeling of being hopeless, in light of what was transpiring in your life john? no matter how short or how long you experienced that feeling of being "too devastated" or "hopeless" (as in pierdut's situation).
claudia
Deborah-Leigh:
--- Quote from: Pierdut on October 17, 2013, 07:21:58 PM ---........am I cursed and therefore hopeless, or is there still hope for me? Although that would entail not only being willing to give up on some things, but also being able to actually do so. And as Ray has taught, I have no freewill, so, ultimately what God predetermined will come to pass; I'll just choose accordingly.
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THAT'S THE IMPASS YOU HAD TO GET TO Pierdut!
Surrender is not defeat. It is the every knee shall bow in the atmosphere that is our incomprehensible God.
Defeat leaves the ego alive and well.
Surrender is FATHER, into your hands I commend my Spirit/Life/Body and soul.
You ARE entering through the narrow gate Pierdut. Now judgement, on the house of God, hurts SO bad.
Defiance does turn to submission and submission turns to surrender THEN Love washes the hurt, heals the ignorance and restores understanding that is not of the world nor can be taught by the world.
mickiel:
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I am getting a strong impression that I won't be voted the BT Mr. Congeniality this year. :'( :'( :'(
Good thing the Kingdom of God is not a democracy.
Ray wrote an article called Why Does God Love You?
In that article, Ray wrote that God hates both sin and sinners. Ray quoted 14 Scriptures to support that God hates sinners. I agree with those Scriptures. One of those Scriptures is:
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, God's curse be upon him. 1 Cor. 16:22 Moffatt Translation
In Pierdut's first post above, he states that he is filled with hopelessness and rage and a lust for physical things that others have. Pierdut questions if the next life (the Resurrection) exists and he states that he hopes it doesn't.
Pierdut also says that either God does not exist, or doesn't care and takes pleasure out of his suffering.
The statements made by Pierdut are not of the Spirit of God, and thus he is not my brother.
I won't tolerate such statements made by people in my presence. I will speak against them. That's just the way it is.
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In my view, whatever believers opinions and beliefs about Gods Love are, they will fall short of explaining how good it really is, no matter how strong of an explination they give; those explinations, no matter how good they are, Gods Love will be far better and far more than they can explain. Conversely, in my view, no matter how a believer tries to explain God's hate, his hate will always be far less than what they try to explain and believe it is; his hate is in no manner greater than his Love. His hate for humans, is not human hate, and I don't see how any believer in God can properly explain or understand God's hate.
God is just different; his Love is different; his hate is different; his hate may contain charactheristics of Love? It may contain elements of Mercy and Grace, I don't think we really know? Its easy to quote scripture and say God hates, but I think its harder to correctly explain that hate. How is a human going to hate someone, and yet give them life, care for them, and make provisions for them, and ultimately save them? And yet still hate them? Well that is what God is doing and will do with his hate; that's a different kind of hate, in my view. Its not a condemning hate; its not a destructive hate; its not a hate that wipes out the future of the person, or the potential of the person; or the ultimate forgiveness of the person; because God will not always hate, he will eventually forgive.
Again in my view, hate is not a natural part of God; its unatural in him. I think he had to " Bring himself to do it;" In my understanding of certain scriptures like Job 40:10 " Adorn yourself with eminence and dignity; clothe " Yourself" with honor and Majesty." This seems to me that God " Did these things to himself"; so powerful that he can actually create parts of himself! Or do things to himself. Clothe himself; which is awful close to me seeing that he created parts of himself. Conversely this is how I think God came to hate things, he had to " Bring himself to do it." Oh sure, we humans gave him plenty of reason, but I still think its something he had to " Kind of make himself do." But this again is just my opinion;in Psalm 93:1 it again says that God " Clothed and Girded HIMSELF with Strength." Increased himself; one could say" created" those parts of himself?
God hateing humans, I think is just more to it than meets our understanding. On the one end, it can be motivating to a believer to do better, who wants God to hate them; yet on another end it may spell complette doom in the mind of an unbeliever if they think God hates them, and just sap all of their fadeing hope.
I don't think hate increases in God, nor is a perminent thing in him. I personally think he has to make himself do it.
rick:
Hi Pierdut
When I had first read your thread I remembered a time when I could relate to that which you were speaking of. I wanted to respond then but felt prevented from doing so at that time.
I had read the responses you had received but had not passed judgement on anyone for the things they said. I like how Craig said
Craig wrote
( In some cases a helping hand and "sun will come out tomorrow" replies help the most. Other times an in your face "get over yourself" response is better. Is one more right than the other? Does all get used by God? )
That is such a awesome response as it says so much however which response does one use to help another in need that is the question.
I’m a babe in Jesus so what do I know besides a couple of truths I learned here at B.T. If I were to give you advice it would simply be to not read but study the lake of fire series.
My prayers are with you and I certainly hope you find understanding in how God is dealing with you or at least acceptance in His dealing with you.
Love and peace to ALL
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