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Where is Jesus came from?
Kat:
So John do you want to pick and choose what we should believe that Ray taught according to certain dates and what JFK says is valid?
I am going by what he has taught according to Scripture and not what he was struggling to put together while battling cancer.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Kat on November 04, 2013, 04:32:48 PM ---
So John do you want to pick and choose what we should believe that Ray taught according to certain dates and what JFK says is valid?
I am going by what he has taught according to Scripture and not what he was struggling to put together while battling cancer.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Kat,
Ray was also battling cancer at the time of the August 2010 email, which you quoted.
In his April 2, 2011 and later emails Ray was lucid and did not appear confused. I understood the questions he raised by quoting the Scriptures.
However, for the sake of peace, I will not make any further comments on this nature/enigma of God subject.
But those pesky little Scriptures brought out by Ray and me will not go away. Complete understanding will not come until all the Scriptures are put together on the subject.
John
Dave in Tenn:
It makes little difference to me "created" or "born"...those aren't even the only terms used. "Come out of" is in there somewhere.
Why not, Dave?
Thanks for asking, Dave. I'll try to explain, knowing that it will fail.
It's because I have a "higher" view of just what "creation" means. This universe is not like a box of tinker-toys put together by a higher power out there someplace. It's all "out of God". Sometimes "birthed" is a good analogy. Sometimes "created" is a good analogy. One doesn't mean the other is untrue--except maybe to a theologian, one of which thankfully I am not.
santgem:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on November 04, 2013, 05:31:41 PM ---It makes little difference to me "created" or "born"...those aren't even the only terms used. "Come out of" is in there somewhere.
Why not, Dave?
Thanks for asking, Dave. I'll try to explain, knowing that it will fail.
It's because I have a "higher" view of just what "creation" means. This universe is not like a box of tinker-toys put together by a higher power out there someplace. It's all "out of God". Sometimes "birthed" is a good analogy. Sometimes "created" is a good analogy. One doesn't mean the other is untrue--except maybe to a theologian, one of which thankfully I am not.
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Hi Dave greetings!
I have my understanding of Scriptures when i read Ray's articles and writings but of course the Spirit of the Lord guides me and enlightened me.
Before i was really afraid of death and everthing in my life but again of course there are things also that makes me afraid until now and that is natural but not as the same degree as before.
It is a horrible thing for me about death before. If i died and was a dead person i was worried where my soul go and who will accompany me to bring to hell or to heaven or to some places or to lonely places, soooooooo many questions.
All was cleared upon reading Ray's writings and other things which i am asking a questions. In this moment i believed that there is peace and safe in death until our Lord calls us! We are just like sleeping.
A lot of us would like to know really God and Jesus and i always pray and ask Jesus to reveal Himself to me. I am eager to know Him and i can not wait to revealing Himself to me, and why not if He's willing.
In my honest opinion birthed and created is very, very different words and the gap is very very wide.
I was contemplating about the only God formed..........Only Jesus is God formed!
Isaiah 43 10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
12I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
13Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
Kat:
Hi santgem,
Isa 43:10 "You are My witnesses," says the LORD,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
Thanks for bringing that Scripture out, I don't think I have noticed it before. It does show that the Son was "formed" or made, He did have a beginning.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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