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Kat:
--- Quote from: Moises G. on January 04, 2014, 02:20:16 AM ---
...Therefore is useless to ask God to change future events. The domino effect started so long ago.
--- End quote ---
But the thing is how can you ask God to change a 'future' event, when you do not know what the future will be? It may appear to be going a certain way, but that can change so easily from what we think it would be. Just a thought.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
exactly, Kat.
HoneyLamb56:
I agree Kat: we don't know future events and we can't change anything. We can pray to change/alter a circumstance whether or not we get the result we want. It's not that we know more than God but He already predestined that we pray about the circumstance (Ray's article on prayer). Thus God controls it all.
I must confess that over the last 5 years I have questioned the Potter about our (my husband and I) circumstances as I cannot see the "why" (we gave up everything) as we feel things would have been more ideal left as it was; Most times I have regretted the decision we made and want a redo. Then when I obsess about it, I pray to be happy in our circumstance and in time maybe He will let me see the "why". Who am I to question the Potter ???
rick:
I perceived that Moises was referring to any changing in future events at the time it’s taking place with pray rather than knowing what events would take place in the future. I believe God could or inspire anyone to pray that any given circumstance or situation would change on their behalf.
However I believe Ray is right on the money in the lake of fire series, all things are predestine. So if I have a situation in my life that is bothering me and God inspires me to pray that situation would change, Is God going to change His mind ? God does not change, God, the same today as yesterday and will be the same tomorrow.
If my situation does change its not because God change that which he had ordained for me, that remains the same but my perception has change.
So what I’m understanding is God inspired me to pray, I see my situation change and now I have more faith in God. Whereas if I did not pray, my situation would of changed anyways as all things are predestine but I would not of increased in faith without prayer.
This is what my understanding is from Ray’s papers, I’m 99% sure I’m right but a note to the reader, my studies on Ray’s papers is less than a year. I would also like to say what turns me on so much about Rays papers is that Ray always uses scripture to prove what he says is indeed gospel truth.
So if there is any error in what I said, its my understanding in question and not that of Ray’s.
peace and love to all. :)
acomplishedartis:
Yes Rick, that is what I meant. That paper was very good; If we always pray according to 'God's will', we will
always get what we pray for... because we know that whatever we get: is God's will--part of God's plan.
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