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lake of fire/second dead...
Dave in Tenn:
That too, my friend. I've missed your company here, A.
My goodness, if we can't talk about THIS, what can we talk about? ;D
Kat:
Hi Antaiwan, good to hear from you. I think I have a little bit different take on this. Yes we will continue to learn and grow in knowledge always, but when resurrected into a glorious spiritual body the elect will become 'one' with God. So from then on the Holy Spirit will be indwelling in the elect in full power, not just an earnest like now. Just as Christ could do no wrong and always knew and preformed the will of the Father, so will the elect.
John 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
The elect will have lost the carnal flesh, decreased completely, and will be perfectly in tune, one, with God. Of course there will be much the elect will come to realize, but not by their own strength, we are nothing on our own, remember He called out the "God has chosen the base things of the world... so that no flesh should glory in His presence" (1 Cor 1:28-29). They will not function as individuals, trying to figure out what they should do, they will be ONE with God and will do His will perfectly.
John 17:22 And I have given them the glory which You have given Me, that they may be one, even as We are one,
v. 23 I in them, and You in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me.
When you look at Christ returning to earth with His army, they will not be incompetent in any way at all. Christ and the elect will take this world by storm and turn everything on it's ear.
Rev 19:11 And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
v. 14 And the armies in Heaven followed Him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
v. 15 And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, so that with it He should strike the nations. And He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of Almighty God.
The elect will not need to learn how to rule, the Spirit of God working in them will lead them in everything they do.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
A link to the study Akira mentioned...at least I think it is this one:
http://bible-truths.com/video/WhereGodsKnowledgeL.wmv This is a video file.
Paul said:
Rom 7:18-25 ...for I have known that there doth not dwell in me, that is, in my flesh, good: for to will is present with me, and to work that which is right I do not find, for the good that I will, I do not; but the evil that I do not will, this I practise. And if what I do not will, this I do, it is no longer I that work it, but the sin that is dwelling in me.
I find, then, the law, that when I desire to do what is right, with me the evil is present, for I delight in the law of God according to the inward man, and I behold another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of the sin that is in my members. A wretched man I am! Who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?
I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord...
Having experienced this failure and frustration NOT to be able to "DO the GOOD he would", I reckon that Paul is saying once he is "delivered out of the body of this death" in RESURRECTION, he WILL be able to do the Good that's is in his or her mind to do without failure and frustration. The same Jesus Christ our Lord who made him an overcomer in his life will make him an overcomer over this body and death itself.
Sin is more than a few bad habits to me. Paul's life was exemplary. But he did have to suffer (albeit with joy in faith at his suffering), and the beginning of his suffering was right at the point of his conversion.
Sounds mighty familiar to me.
Akira329:
I missed being here and talking about this!
Kat I don't disagree with you. It just seems that its about time, a new environment and new abilities. Is anything really automatic not learned?
Sure the spirit will guide us into all things but I doubt half prepared for the battle. I guess I think this way because of this question:
What does being in a spiritual body entail?
Will the same knowledge and understanding be imparted to me that Christ has?
Also what Dave mentioned is noteworthy,
Do giving up habits make us worthy to rule in the kingdom?
These attributes of a spiritual body that Ray mentions are also worthy to note:
Taken from 1 Corinthians 15
INCORRUPTIBILITY, UNENDING EXISTENCE, GENUINENESS, IMMORTALITY, INCORRUPTION, SINCERITY, GLORY (AS VERY APPARENT GLORY), DIGNITY, GLORY, GLORIOUS, HONOR, PRAISE, WORSHIP, FORCE, MIRACULOUS POWER, ABILITY, ABUNDANCE, MIGHT, MIGHTY, WORKER OF MIRACLES, POWER, STRENGTH, (‘VIOLENCE’ ONLY WHEN REFERENCING AN CARNAL PERSON), MIGHTY (WONDERFUL) WORK, NON-CARNAL, ETHEREAL, SPIRIT, DIVINELY, SUPER NATURAL, REGENERATE, RELIGIOUS, SPIRITUAL
Its hard for me to believe I will possess a number of these the day of my spiritual birth.
Also Dave, that was the teaching I was eluding too. Ray asked what did Jesus do to gain his glory?
I think this is what Ray wanted to find out about the Father and Son. He wanted more to understand the relationship between them.
Will we have to do a little more suffering? I don't know but makes sense.
Rene:
--- Quote from: Akira329 on April 05, 2014, 08:31:28 PM ---
These attributes of a spiritual body that Ray mentions are also worthy to note:
Taken from 1 Corinthians 15
INCORRUPTIBILITY, UNENDING EXISTENCE, GENUINENESS, IMMORTALITY, INCORRUPTION, SINCERITY, GLORY (AS VERY APPARENT GLORY), DIGNITY, GLORY, GLORIOUS, HONOR, PRAISE, WORSHIP, FORCE, MIRACULOUS POWER, ABILITY, ABUNDANCE, MIGHT, MIGHTY, WORKER OF MIRACLES, POWER, STRENGTH, (‘VIOLENCE’ ONLY WHEN REFERENCING AN CARNAL PERSON), MIGHTY (WONDERFUL) WORK, NON-CARNAL, ETHEREAL, SPIRIT, DIVINELY, SUPER NATURAL, REGENERATE, RELIGIOUS, SPIRITUAL
Its hard for me to believe I will possess a number of these the day of my spiritual birth.
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Antaiwan,
The very traits you listed, I believe God's Elect will possess upon their resurrection. Do not underestimate the power of this transformation from "flesh and blood" to a "spiritual being." The scriptures tell us that those who inherit God's Kingdom (His Elect) will be glorified, raised incorruptible, immortal, and conformed to the image of Christ.
Here are just a few scriptures, but there are many more:
1Cor.15:52-53 - "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet; for it shall sound, and, the dead, shall be raised incorruptible, and we, shall be changed. For this corruptible must needs clothe itself with incorruptibility, and this mortal, clothe itself with immortality.
Phil.3:21 - "Who will transfigure our humbled body into conformity with His glorified body, according to the energy wherewith he is able even to subdue, unto himself, all things."
Romans 8:29 - "For, whom he fore-approved, he also fore-appointed to be conformed unto the image of His Son, that he might be firstborn among many brethren,"
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