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It's Scientific, We Have No Free Will
Mike Gagne:
Lol, God isn't holding us accountable, He's birthing children!! :) :) All in love...Mike. Let me edit! God is getting the natural ready to be birthed the spiritual,God is getting the mortal ready to be birthed immortal, God is getting corruption ready to be birthed incorruption,God is getting weakness ready to be birthed in power,God is getting dishonour ready to be birthed in glory!! :)...All in love Mike.
Kat:
Hi Mike,
The thing is 'you' were the one doing what you did, just like we all do... so I am only accountable for myself. God designed it so we are held accountable, if we were not then we could/would have no reason to stop bad behavior. This is so we can 'learn,' and even if we don't get it figured out in this life, well it will be taught to us in the judgement of the next age.
So we do what we do, even if we don't enjoy it... and we all will answer to God.
Rom 14:15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died.
Heb 4:13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
1Peter 4:3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetimefn in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries.
v. 4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you.
v. 5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
1Co 3:12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
v. 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is.
v. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
v. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
mercy, peace and love
kat
Rene:
--- Quote from: Kat on June 19, 2014, 04:24:24 PM ---
God designed it so we are held accountable, if we were not then we could/would have no reason to stop bad behavior. This is so we can 'learn,' and even if we don't get it figured out in this life, well it will be taught to us in the judgement of the next age.
--- End quote ---
In harmony with what Kathy is saying, being "accountable" to God is a part of His Master Plan. It is a form of "judgment" whereby we will learn righteousness, and it is through judgment that we will be saved. This is a good and marvelous thing! :)
Romans 14:10b-12 -..."For all of us, shall present ourselves unto the judgment seat of God; For it is written—Living am I, saith the Lord, unto Me, shall bow every knee and every tongue shall openly confess unto God. Hence, [then] each one of us, of himself shall give account unto God." (Rotherham's)
Isaiah 26:9b - "For when your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness." (ESV)
As Ray once stated, "The final judgments of God will bring salvation to all!" http://bible-truths.com/lake6.html
René
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 19, 2014, 12:31:34 PM ---God is responsible because He made us as we are, which is to automatically sin. He doesn't force us to sin. We just do it because that is our essence.
We know this because of the two scriptures, "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" and "There is none righteous, no not one."
However, we are accountable because from our heart we agree to sin, we love to sin.
When I sin, I am always 100% for it. I only have regrets after the fact.
--- End quote ---
Ain't that the truth? It always comes afterwards and then you start to feel like there are two people raging inside of you.
Romans 7:22-24 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Galatians 5:17 "For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."
Mark 7:20-23 "And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."
Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Alex
Mike Gagne:
Hi Kat! The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (John 1:29 KJV). For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; (1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV). Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: (Galatians 1:4 KJV). Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (Hebrews 1:3 KJV). So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:28 KJV). Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (1 Peter 2:24 KJV). Well I don't see anything to be accountable for according to theses scriptures... I have used scriptures in this string that really says what I am saying. Here's the last thing I will post on this, here is a man trying to be accountable to God..... Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered the Lord, and said, Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further. Then answered the Lord unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him? Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty. Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret. Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee. (Job 40:1-14 KJV)..... :) All in love...Mike
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