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It's Scientific, We Have No Free Will
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Mike Gagne on June 19, 2014, 08:04:41 PM ---Hi Kat! The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (John 1:29 KJV). For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; (1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV). Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: (Galatians 1:4 KJV). Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (Hebrews 1:3 KJV). So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:28 KJV). Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (1 Peter 2:24 KJV). Well I don't see anything to be accountable for according to theses scriptures... I have used scriptures in this string that really says what I am saying. Here's the last thing I will post on this, here is a man trying to be accountable to God..... Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered the Lord, and said, Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further. Then answered the Lord unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him? Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty. Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret. Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee. (Job 40:1-14 KJV)..... :) All in love...Mike
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James 1:12-13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it is good or evil.
Romans 14:12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
Here is a promise that we will be held accountable for what we say. Do you think our actions are somehow different?
Matthew 12: 36 "But I tell you that for every careless word that men shall speak they will be held accountable on the day of Judgement."
Can you judge a man's conduct when he cannot be held accountable for his actions?
Rev 20:12 "And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing in front of the throne. And books were opened; and so was another book--namely, the Book of Life; and the dead were judged by the things recorded in the books in accordance with what their conduct had been."
Revelation 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."
Pay attention here, its not man's body that is being judged sinful, its man's WORKS, HIS ACTIONS. He is being held ACCOUNTABLE!
Can you get beat for doing something you are not accountable for?
Luke 12:47-48 "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."
God has held his people accountable for their ways in the past and God does not change. Do you think you're somehow special in the matter? (God is no respecter of persons).
Ezekiel 18:30 "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin."
There are countless examples in the scriptures of individuals being held accountable and then chastised, punished, or destroyed for what they are now being held accountable for.
You are no different, you will be held accountable and I have a feeling that anyone who thinks they will escape judgement are the very same who will not receive the crown of life.
God bless,
Alex
P.S. Job in no way contradicts or detracts from the fact that you are accountable for your actions and words.
Mike Gagne:
There is only 144.000 that are either being judged or who have been judged in there lake of fire/Jesus and will be apart of the first resurrection! I don't see in scripture where you will have to go through the lake of fire twice! Your carnal accountable nature won't make it into the first resurrection,self won't be in that resurrection. God will resurrect sons and they will not have a carnal nature standing there ready to give account. God will have burned that carnal nature out in the lake of Jesus/fire.....All in love Mike :D
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Mike Gagne on June 19, 2014, 08:24:34 PM --- There is only 144.000 that are either being judged or who have been judged in there lake of fire/Jesus and will be apart of the first resurrection! I don't see in scripture where you will have to go through the lake of fire twice! Your carnal accountable nature won't make it into the first resurrection,self won't be in that resurrection. God will resurrect sons and they will not have a carnal nature standing there ready to give account. God will have burned that carnal nature out in the lake of Jesus/fire.....All in love Mike :D
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First off, there are not two separate resurrections, there is only one. That mention of the second is SPURIOUS and does not exist in the earliest manuscripts.
I don't know if anyone mentioned going through the lake of fire twice. We are in agreement that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. The elect will be resurrected with spiritual bodies and be like Christ. I agree with this. I wouldn't use the term sons and daughters though, that is a bit too broad in my opinion. Yes, God will have tried, refined and purified the elect at this point and so they will not be standing carnal to give an account.
What does this have to do, exactly, with humanity being accountable to God for its actions? That each individual is accountable, for what he or she has done, to God? Could you clarify?
Mike Gagne:
Well if you can save yourself then you go ahead and be accountable! I am being judged right now, and Gods judgements are righteous. And it is him who does his will and good pleasure in me! And when he is done I will be ready for the birth.... And maybe read Job and ask God to show you what he's saying... :) All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing, does this mean anything to you? All in love Mike :)
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Mike Gagne on June 19, 2014, 08:35:39 PM ---Well if you can save yourself then you go ahead and be accountable! I am being judged right now, and Gods judgements are righteous. And it is him who does his will and good pleasure in me! And when he is done I will be ready for the birth.... And maybe read Job and ask God to show you what he's saying... :) All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing, does this mean anything to you? All in love Mike :)
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Being Judged for what Mike? According to you, you've done nothing wrong. It's all God's doing, you're not one bit accountable.
Alex
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