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It's Scientific, We Have No Free Will
Mike Gagne:
Hi Alex, yes there are plenty of people around the world experiencing good and evil, but God isn't judging them. I never said good and evil teach you righteousness. My typing should have said when he brings you through them you learn his righteousness from his judgements! It is him that brings you through them, And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? (Daniel 4:35 KJV)..( Your quote...you are not learning righteousness because of good and evil,you are learning righteousness because God is judging you because you are accountable for you actions.) Okay if God gives me judgements in my addiction and that's how he holds me accountable, is this what you are saying? He gives me the carnal nature and He gives me the addiction and then judges me which makes me accountable?
Mike Gagne:
Hi Alex! Yes you are right in saying the the death of Jesus should not be laid to waste concerning sin! What I should have said is the God doesn't look at sin like a carnal man does! good night! All in love... Mike :) PS Dave and Kat I will reply to you tomorrow , thanks you guys...:)
Dave in Tenn:
No, Mike He doesn't judge you "because you are accountable". You are accountable because you do what you do. He judges you, chastises you, "graces" you, to teach you. All that because He loves you and has bigger plans for you than "guilty/not guilty" and "punishment/no punishment" or "heaven/hell".
He is responsible. And even better, He TAKES responsibility! He died for the sins of the world, after all, and did so even while we were yet sinners. It's His will that the world learn righteousness. His will be done.
We are held accountable and must give account (not just for bad, but for good) because we don't LEARN without accountability...and if we should, then we don't know what we've learned UNTIL we give account.
Jesus gave the message about the Pharisee who prayed "Thank you that I am not as this publican" and the publican who prayed "God have mercy on me a sinner" and asked which one returned to his house justified. Among other things, the publican gave a true account. Don't be afraid of this word. All the scripture you shared and Kat and Alex shared is true and don't contradict.
Mike Gagne:
Good morning! Meaning of account: 1.
a report or description of an event or experience.
"a detailed account of what has been achieved"
synonyms: description, report, version, story, narration, narrative, statement, explanation, exposition, delineation, portrayal, tale; More
an interpretation or rendering of a piece of music.
"a lively account of Offenbach's score"
I am okay with giving a account!! Meaning of accountable, 1.
(of a person, organization, or institution) required or expected to justify actions or decisions; responsible.
"government must be accountable to its citizens"
synonyms: responsible, liable, answerable; More.... I can't see me being accountable if it is God doing the work in me! If I am doing the work then God is no longer sovereign! Is this agreeable? All in love...:) Mike
Mike Gagne:
Hi Dave! Is it really me that does it? Or do I just Go through it and experience it? If He does all his will and good pleasure , and none can stay his hand how do I do anything? Therefore how could I be accountable? Yes give a description/account, but to be accountable for his actions does not make sense to me! Because if he is doing the work in me they it is His actions for His purpose, and how could I be accountable for that! I know some don't think that God makes you sin, but He in fact made you who you are, a carnal man who hates God and wants nothing to do with him, a sinning beast! Anyhow off to work I go, and may Gods day for you be filled with joy! :) Mike
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