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Gen 1 v 26 Gen 2v 7 & 9 2 creations ??
santgem:
Even the census of old the woman is not mentioned...........
Genealogy usually takes into account of men...
maybe, therefore in thousands of their years comes a woman/women......
Is Noah lives 960 years?
What more for Adam and Eve......... ;D
Ian 155:
I think my interest was pricked once I understood that Adam is not singular but represents Mankind ( rather those called to be part of the kingdom and with the given ability to turn or change earthly minded beings)
Till the ground -
John "we" or "Them" are also referred to as Grass ,being here one day and into the fire the next - as is our birth, women have 2 sets of waters and its very dark in the womb until the "let there be Light" is called for "
Santgen... I found that Abel is missing in Gen 5 begins with Seth
Science is mans logic based on that which is seen this is not necessarily correct though
santgem:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on June 23, 2014, 04:14:44 AM ---I think my interest was pricked once I understood that Adam is not singular but represents Mankind ( rather those called to be part of the kingdom and with the given ability to turn or change earthly minded beings)
Till the ground -
John "we" or "Them" are also referred to as Grass ,being here one day and into the fire the next - as is our birth, women have 2 sets of waters and its very dark in the womb until the "let there be Light" is called for "
Santgen... I found that Abel is missing in Gen 5 begins with Seth
Science is mans logic based on that which is seen this is not necessarily correct though
--- End quote ---
Hi Ian,
Greetings!
I understand what you mean and really it is confusing.....
but in my understanding all are we are descendants of the first man Adam (except for the first woman). This also supported by this scripture and many others when it comes to sinning.
For since by [a] man came death, by [a] Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:21–22).
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned” (Romans 5:12)
We read in 1 Corinthians 15:45 that Adam was “the first man.” God did not start by making a race of men.
there was only one man at the beginning—made from the dust of the earth (Genesis 2:7).
By that, by the Scripture, all are descendants of the first man Adam. This also means that Cain’s wife was a descendant of Adam. She couldn’t have come from another race of people and must be accounted for from Adam’s descendants.
Other than that, this scripture is telling that Eve was the mother of all living, In other words, all people other than Adam are descendants of Eve—she was the first woman.
Genesis 3:20 we read, “And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.”
and maybe Genesis is not written in chronological order ???
Kat:
Hi santgem,
In studying these quotes in Genesis it has begun to appear to me that they 'all' could be figures of speech, using symbolism that will give a much higher spiritual meaning when understood. Take your example of Adam being the "first man" and also Scripture say...
Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
How could this be 'literally' attributed to Adam?
What has accrued to me is it seems like the Bible was written to and about "God's people," so that is what it is 'mostly' speaking of. I say mostly because there are times when others are mentioned... aliens, foreigners, strangers, etc, I believe these could have been the people living at the time Adam was brought onto the scene.
Now when speaking of Adam being the "first man," I'm wondering if that means the first that God has begun the work of salvation through or started it with him. And then you can carry that over to see how Adam was attributed as how "sin entered the world," because it was through his line that God would teach exactly what sin is. Not that he was the first to sin, but it was through him - his line that explained that it was through sin that spiritual "dead" occurred.
As for Eve being "mother of all living," thinking of that in the same way. She and Adam would produce (she would literally be giving birth, therefore mother) to the line of people that would be used to bring knowledge of God and then further on the gospel into the world. Therefore the mother of the 'living,' or 'life' in Jesus Christ.
Also this could very well explain how there was other people living in the world at the time Adam and Eve were created... because the Bible does not address them and is not speaking to or about them. Now in the NT I wondering if that isn't who the Gentiles are...
I am not trying to say that I know this is right, but I am trying to bring more into the conversation to simulate discussion to help us come to a better understanding.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
For those who don't have it, here's Genesis 2 from the Darby Translation for consideration.
Gen 2:1 And the heavens and the earth and all their host were finished.
Gen 2:2 And God had finished on the seventh day his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it, because that on it he rested from all his work which God had created in making it.
Gen 2:4 These are the histories of the heavens and the earth, when they were created, in the day that Jehovah Elohim made earth and heavens,
Gen 2:5 and every shrub of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew; for Jehovah Elohim had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground.
Gen 2:6 But a mist went up from the earth, and moistened the whole surface of the ground.
Gen 2:7 And Jehovah Elohim formed Man, dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and Man became a living soul.
Gen 2:8 And Jehovah Elohim planted a garden in Eden eastward, and there put Man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground Jehovah Elohim made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; and the tree of life, in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 2:10 And a river went out of Eden, to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became four main streams.
Gen 2:11 The name of the one is Pison: that is it which surrounds the whole land of Havilah, where the gold is.
Gen 2:12 And the gold of that land is good; bdellium and the onyx stone are there.
Gen 2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: that is it which surrounds the whole land of Cush.
Gen 2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which flows forward toward Asshur. And the fourth river, that is Euphrates.
Gen 2:15 And Jehovah Elohim took Man, and put him into the garden of Eden, to till it and to guard it.
Gen 2:16 And Jehovah Elohim commanded Man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou shalt freely eat;
Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest of it thou shalt certainly die.
Gen 2:18 And Jehovah Elohim said, It is not good that Man should be alone; I will make him a helpmate, his like.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground Jehovah Elohim had formed every animal of the field and all fowl of the heavens, and brought them to Man, to see what he would call them; and whatever Man called each living soul, that was its name.
Gen 2:20 And Man gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the heavens, and to every beast of the field; but as for Adam, he found no helpmate, his like.
Gen 2:21 And Jehovah Elohim caused a deep sleep to fall upon Man; and he slept. And he took one of his ribs and closed up flesh in its stead.
Gen 2:22 And Jehovah Elohim built the rib that he had taken from Man into a woman; and brought her to Man.
Gen 2:23 And Man said, This time it is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh: this shall be called Woman, because this was taken out of a man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and cleave to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, Man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
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