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Gen 1 v 26 Gen 2v 7 & 9 2 creations ??
Dave in Tenn:
My "faith" is that Genesis 1 is "natural" and Genesis 2 is "spiritual". I don't want to get bogged down into "literal" and "symbolic". My "views" on that are mine and I don't require others to share them. I hope for the same in return.
Concerning the genealogies, God has made all the nations of the earth of one blood. Please don't leave GOD out of the genealogies. There are MANY never named, and lines diverge with each generation. That's the way genealogies work, working both backwards and forwards. The brothers and uncles and great uncles and cousins of Abraham himself are not the ones God made His Promise to...yet even they are the recipients of the blessing when the time comes.
Ian 155:
Titus 3v9 and 2nd witness 1 Tim 1:4 I did not say it ...Read it
I can see why we should not get into this or avoid this genealogy trap ....do you though... or shall we adjust the word to suit...(perhaps when we analyse why we want to shove our points down peoples throats we may hit the jackpot ...pride of life)
We are to discern this by the spirit of truth - I agree 1st the physical then the spiritual, as you walk thru the word all the en samples point to Christ (1st the son of Man then 2nd the son of God) .....the last shall be 1st
The process is driving out/or exposing, Lust of the flesh and of the eye and Pride - in each Physical case Eve - Adam - Cain - Esau - Joseph brothers and family - all of this physical stuff is for our good - yet it is the spirit that gives life, causes us to hate sin/world once our eyes get opened - not the physical.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh (logic) profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Cains Father was "all that is in the world" he has not a place in Genesis ch 5
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is NOT of the Father, but is of the world.
We walk above hu-Man intellect - we are the head not the tail - we are to walk ABOVE not Beneath.
So I believe Genealogies are "below'', as are myths re Fallen angels these are Man made interpretations - even if one swallows a Hebrew and Greek dictionary, it aint gonna get you close - its the Spirit that quickens
Is our Father God ? who is spirit - or is he the world (devil)?
ALL These People/characters in the word represent spiritual stuff it does not matter who cain married or where she was from - that union represents something spiritual - it is our man nature that wants to intellectualize it .
Kat:
Hi Ian,
--- Quote ---ALL These People/characters in the word represent spiritual stuff it does not matter who cain married or where she was from - that union represents something spiritual - it is our man nature that wants to intellectualize it .
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You have made some good points, it is true that a spiritual meaning that comes from these physical people/characters can be of much greater significances. But I certainly think it does matter what you understand happened in the physical first, as to how you can come to a spiritual understanding. What I mean is that if your physical understanding is flawed then how could you come to a right spiritual understanding from it? Take Cain, some actually believe that he was a produce of Satan (thinking he physically seduced Eve), and so that explains his nature. But this is not true and any 'spiritual' meaning that would come from this would be wrong.
So I believe it is important to come to a correct physical understanding first and from that there comes the spiritual. It does no good to seek the spiritual first as if the physical doesn't matter, if it leads to a wrong spiritual interpretation. I think we need a good/proper understanding of the basic physical application before we can move beyond that.
For me personally, in looking to understand how the physical really did happen in Genesis was necessary, and then the spiritual opened up from that in a real big way.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
dave:
--- Quote from: Kat on June 30, 2014, 10:33:40 AM ---
Hi Ian,
--- Quote ---ALL These People/characters in the word represent spiritual stuff it does not matter who cain married or where she was from - that union represents something spiritual - it is our man nature that wants to intellectualize it .
--- End quote ---
You have made some good points, it is true that a spiritual meaning behind these physical people/characters gives them a much greater significances. But I certainly think it does matter what you understand happened in the physical first, as to how you can come to a spiritual understanding. What I mean is that if your physical understanding is flawed then how could you come to a right spiritual understanding from it? Take Cain, some actually believe that he was a produce of Satan (thinking he physically seduced Eve), and so that explains his nature. But this is not true and any 'spiritual' meaning that would come from this would be wrong.
So I believe it is important to come to a correct physical understanding first and from that there comes the spiritual. It does no good to seek the spiritual first as if the physical doesn't matter, if it leads to a wrong spiritual interpretation. I think we need a good/proper understanding of the basic physical application before we can move beyond that.
For me personally, in looking to understand how the physical really did happen in Genesis was necessary, and then the spiritual opened up from that in a real big way.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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:)
Ian 155:
Thanks for that Kat I hear you on the physical and that is true, it is a kinda 'school teacher master'
I guess it is the higher calling of God that causes one to seek further or the solid food of the word,to me the physical is the basics or rather the milk.Like i said in the 1st post -having studied the beginning I am blown away at how wrong i was from an interpretation point of view -
I mean Physically I would have thought it blasphemy to believe that Pharaoh in the below was likened to The Father....and Joseph to Jesus and the brothers to his forgiven brethren (saints) I mean Pharaoh was always THE DEVIL to me
And so ...we can also be misguided in Physical/intellectual understanding
Gen 41:42 And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;
Gen 41:43 And he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had; and they cried before him, Bow the knee: and he made him ruler over all the land of Egypt.
Gen 41:44 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.
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