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In the day you eat of it, you will certainly die
Riddles:
I was reading some e mailed questions that L. Ray answered. I posted it here below. The person asked what God is talking about in Gen 2:17 with "on the day you eat of it you shall surely die." Christian churches teach (that I know about) teach that here Adam died spiritually that literal day, but could not perceive it. But here, "day" means 1,000 years and sure enough Adam died at 930 years. God was talking about physical death.
A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by Psalm 90:4
With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day 2 Peter 3:8
Hi Ray,
You said that Adam and Eve were carnal minded before they ate the forbidden fruit. Does that mean they were spiritually dead before they ate?
If so, what was God taking about when he said "on the day you eat you will surely die?"
[Ray Replies]
God treated Adam and Eve in the same way that the Law of Moses treated Israel. There were numerous laws given to Israel, and the breaking of some of them involved the penalty of death. Now as long as no one actually committed the act that was illegal, no penalty was enacted. One could look at another man's pretty wife, just as long as he didn't touch her or commit physical adultery with her.
God treated Eve the same way. As long as she kept her lust of the flesh and lust of the eyes and pride of life TO HERSELF, God did not punish her. But once she committed an actual act of law-breaking (in this case disobey the law that God had enacted regarding eating the forbidden fruit), then the PENALTY CAME IN TO PLAY.
Today, under the New Covenant, we are guilty for merely THINKING a sinful thought. Now it is a sin to just "look upon a woman to lust after her" even if one doesn't ACTUALLY commit adultery with her. It is a thing of the SPIRIT, and not just the letter.
God be with you,
Ray
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Riddles on June 26, 2014, 11:58:13 PM ---I was reading some e mailed questions that L. Ray answered. I posted it here below. The person asked what God is talking about in Gen 2:17 with "on the day you eat of it you shall surely die." Christian churches teach (that I know about) teach that here Adam died spiritually that literal day, but could not perceive it. But here, "day" means 1,000 years and sure enough Adam died at 930 years. God was talking about physical death.
A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by Psalm 90:4
With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day 2 Peter 3:8
Hi Ray,
You said that Adam and Eve were carnal minded before they ate the forbidden fruit. Does that mean they were spiritually dead before they ate?
If so, what was God taking about when he said "on the day you eat you will surely die?"
[Ray Replies]
God treated Adam and Eve in the same way that the Law of Moses treated Israel. There were numerous laws given to Israel, and the breaking of some of them involved the penalty of death. Now as long as no one actually committed the act that was illegal, no penalty was enacted. One could look at another man's pretty wife, just as long as he didn't touch her or commit physical adultery with her.
God treated Eve the same way. As long as she kept her lust of the flesh and lust of the eyes and pride of life TO HERSELF, God did not punish her. But once she committed an actual act of law-breaking (in this case disobey the law that God had enacted regarding eating the forbidden fruit), then the PENALTY CAME IN TO PLAY.
Today, under the New Covenant, we are guilty for merely THINKING a sinful thought. Now it is a sin to just "look upon a woman to lust after her" even if one doesn't ACTUALLY commit adultery with her. It is a thing of the SPIRIT, and not just the letter.
God be with you,
Ray
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A 1000 years does not equal 930 years in the same way that the first day and the second day and the third day etc...--ad nasueum--of creation were not literal 24 hour days.
My humble opinion on the matter.
Riddles:
I think you misunderstand my post lilitalienboi16.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Riddles on June 27, 2014, 01:23:12 AM ---I think you misunderstand my post lilitalienboi16.
--- End quote ---
No I understood it but two wrongs don't make a right. I don't agree that "day" meant a thousand years, literally.
I had some comment about Genesis 2:17 that I did want to make but since I'm not sure of it i'll keep it to myself :)
Riddles:
No, I'm talking about Genesis 2:17. We don't need to discuss the creation days here. "In the day you eat of it [the fruit] you will surely die". Well Adam didn't die in "that day" from our perspective. So what did God mean? If a pastor has any teaching at all about this scripture, it's that Adam then died spiritually after eating the fruit, which is why he apparently did not die at all. Not then. That is the only solution to this problem of "in that day you will surely die", or is it?
We find out later that "day" for means 1,000 years. So yes, Adam died "in that day" - within that thousand years. If he'd lived to be 1,500 years old, it would not be a true prophecy. But he lived to be 930 and it is a true prophecy. Maybe the first one in the bible, and God gave us the answer for free. I say take it and run!
A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by Psalm 90:4
With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day 2 Peter 3:8
I saw L. Ray's response and he forgot to answer that part, that's all.
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