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lareli:
Rick I like what you said about poisoning a dog.
I'm not trying to 'sell' you anything nor do I have disdain for anyone here OR anyone in the church. But I do think its a religious and irresponsible line of thinking for you to assume that if I believed what Ray wrote than I would change my position. Change my position to what exactly Rick? To your position? Do you suppose that if you and I believe what Ray wrote that we would then have the same opinions?
Your opinions and feelings toward church are not strictly based on what you've read from Rays writings, but they're based on Rays writings AND your personal experience with a church. It's a mistake for anyone to take their own personal experiences and make it 'the rule' for everyone else... In any matter not just church.
I'm not afraid of the big bad wolf at church. I don't feel offended or threatened by the church. I don't look at them as my enemy but as my future brothers and sisters. I never want to make the mistake of looking upon ANYONE as if I'm better than them, or as if I am 'right' and they're 'wrong'. None of us are 'right' we are all 'wrong'. They're are deeper spiritual truths that none of us will know in this age. No one has all the truth.
Christ said 'why do you call me Lord but don't do what I say?' He never said 'why do you call me Lord but don't believe the right doctrine?' Isn't what you do with the knowledge you have more important than how much knowledge you have? I mean, is there going to be some sort of quiz from God someday to see who's got the best doctrine? Will it be true or false or multiple choice?
John from Kentucky:
To each his own. Jesus will save all eventually.
But if I attended a physical church now, it would be a spiritual death sentence to me.
I am a lonely wanderer on the earth, waiting for the return of the Great King.
Jesus made me free from the great false church. I am so thankful for the magnificent blessing He gave me of freedom. Never will I return to Satan's slavery.
Abednego:
Back to what Craig said. Robby is where he should be right now and JfK is where he should be right now. And neither of you should be doing anything different.
Until you should be, then you will be.
I still attend a Babylonian church at the moment. I don't want to be there, but I have my reasons for doing so. Everyone here has their reasons (causes) for doing what they do.
I find it usually doesn't help to explain to people why I am doing something. When you explain something to someone, by human nature they reach into their personal experiences to find a way to relate. If they do not have the same experience, they will pick something the closest and form their opinion based on that experience. I have seen this over and over and over. Enough times to makle me believe this is the rule not the exception.
Unless you know why someone is doing what they are doing I don't think it wise to have any opinion on the matter.
And by saying know, I mean having walked their walk and being privy to exactly what God is doing in their life.
rick:
Hi Largeli,
I was reading something to the effect that Satan throne is in the church, also Satan is bound to the church. I will say there was a time I loved going to church, one could find me in the church more than once in a 24 hour period.
I personally will not step one foot into a church today. I will not put anyone under law and say you can not go to church.
If anyone ask me a question concerning my belief system and they disagree with what I believe I don’t feel in anyway compelled to get that one to see it my way. In fact I won’t talk about my belief system any further.
I agree that anyone who now attends church will be our brothers and sisters one day but right now they are not.
When two nations go to war they are enemy’s of each other at the time they are at war but when the war is over they will no longer be enemy’s
Ray has much to say about the synagogue of Satan in his writings and its my understanding that one should familiarize themselves and agree with Ray’s writings before joining this site so that all who belong to this site are like minded.
I had read some of your comments concerning the church you use to or still attend and I notice you speak well of them and how they help the needy and do all sorts of good works, my position and attitude with any church today is what do they teach, what do they believe ?
If they teach the doctrine of hell or the trinity or that when people die they go to heaven or they go to hell or that one must ask Christ into their life before they die or they will be eternally lost then I’m not interested in attending that church.
Unfortunately these are the things Christendom teaches and because I know these are the things they teach I will not step one foot into their door.
If one is going to church to socialize and not going to learn the belief system of Christendom then maybe no harm can come of it, maybe but faith comes by hearing and one should be carful what they listen to.
Whatever people do is between God and them not between God ,them and me , I have enough on my own plate in life without having to add more.
Jesus is savior of the world not Rick. :)
cheekie3:
All -
Is it about our opinions - or "doing and living what Jesus has said in His Word"?
Can two walk together unless they agree - and what is primary to this if not "God's Word".
I personally do not value anyone's opinion, including my own - and my aim is for my opinion(s) to be "His Scriptural Spiritual Truth" as imparted to us by His Holy Spirit.
We either Love Him and His Word, or we Despise His Word.
Those that Despise His Word will always be angry at those who state it and live it.
We therefore cannot avoid upsetting those that Despise His Word.
I agree that we are all where we should be as our Beloved Father has pre prepared our very heart's desires, thoughts, speech and conduct.
We are either being set free by "The Truth" or we are still in Bondage believing lies as "The Truth".
Regards, George.
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