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Attending Church
Kat:
You are right about the world being as bad or worse than the church and yes we should obey what Christ said "love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you"... but we have to be separate to a degree. No we cannot remove ourselves altogether, but we should not be 'friends' with the world or the church.
James 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
friend 1 : one attached to another by respect or affection 2 : acquaintance 3 : one who is not hostile 4 : one who supports or favors something 5 : a member of the Society of Friends.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Joel:
I can share my experience about "Attending Church."
God chooses people from all walks of life, and as for me I had already been away from playing Church and organized religion for about twenty two years before ever knowing about Ray Smith.
So when I saw the Bible-Truths web site I had been searching for Truth, and desiring a closer walk with God more sincerely for about a year before that.
No I didn't jump on board with both feet from day one, but it was a gradual process as God showed me that what Ray was teaching was correct according to the scriptures.
The disappointing thing is, my friends and family don't see the things that I accept as the Truth as being the Truth at all.
Where I am right now works for me, were others are at the moment must work for them also.
Who can resist God? no one.
I would ask the question though, what scriptures support the idea that we can continue attending and supporting the local Churches on the corner that teach contrary to the Word of God, when there are so many scriptures that say otherwise?
The vast amount of teachings that God has allowed Ray, Dennis, and those that support BT web site, are not Truths or teachings that are smooth sayings, or for those having itching ears.
Joel
lareli:
--- Quote from: Kat on August 11, 2014, 04:57:00 PM ---
You are right about the world being as bad or worse than the church and yes we should obey what Christ said "love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you"... but we have to be separate to a degree. No we cannot remove ourselves altogether, but we should not be 'friends' with the world or the church.
James 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
friend 1 : one attached to another by respect or affection 2 : acquaintance 3 : one who is not hostile 4 : one who supports or favors something 5 : a member of the Society of Friends.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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ahhh... I hear ya.
Stacey:
largeli, I appreciate your perspective. I understand also the points made by everyone else. There isn't anything I can add to the conversation really but as I was reading the thread a thought came up.
How can we as followers of the teachings laid out by Ray Smith be truly free from the evil empire Babylon IF, at the mere mention of it, our lips begin to curl and we put up our arms in a big X as if we are being forced to look upon blasphemous, poisonous scenes sending us into screeching screams of ,,,,,noooooooooooooo not that!!!!!!!
I'd say, we are not free from it at all IF this be the case.
Dang ole silly thoughts, how they enter the mind ya know it can't be stopped.
Dave in Tenn:
Stacey, I think I understand where you are coming from. I have the same 'feelings' about those so hung up on the 'world'...not free if we're still entangled, even in opposition.
On that score, however, I don't completely agree with the statement that the 'world' is worse than the 'church'. It's more complicated than that...and it comes down ultimately to the individual... and maybe that returns it to simplicity.
For an example...I can smile at some ordinary Joe saying he did such-and-such by his own free will because 1. He probably doesn't know and has never thought about what he is saying, and 2. It sure SEEMS like we do. It takes no miracle to 'believe' what feels right. I can't smile at a proselytizer who applies this deception to Spiritual things.
Look...all these things are in the hands of, by the plan of, and for the purposes of God. It ain't always gonna be like it is.
Robby started this thread and later reported that he had begun to teach his own children. May God bless his efforts.
Eph_6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
Col_3:21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged.
I hope those words have new or more meaning than they did before, Robby.
And this from John, though his 'children' were of all ages:
3Jn_1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
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