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lareli:
Dave I don't agree that the world is worse than the church either. But I think it's because the church is part if the world. Mystery babylon the great encompasses the church as well as every other lie we live under. I think for the most part the church is just like any other political group. Christians are political pawns.
Kat gave an analogy of being freed from prison and what it means to return to prison. I think another way to look at it would be the matrix. Not the matrix as in a computer simulation but the matrix being the lies that we are all born under to keep us from knowing the truth. We can be freed from the lies and mental slavery but unlike in the movie.. We can't simply unplug and wake up in another world. We have to finish this life in this world but we can do so while being free because we see that it's all lies. We have to play by the rules of most of the lies but we don't have to believe them. That's how I understand 'come out of her'.
Dave in Tenn:
Could be, Largeli. But there is a VERY practical problem with that observation: One man's 'worldly deception' is another man's 'reasonable conclusion'. I see it everywhere, and trust me, we'd see it here too if we let it.
I do my best with marked failures to NOT get involved with the affairs of the world, nor join in their debates. Because, to me, ultimately it's not about who is RIGHT or WRONG about their 'world-view' or various portions of it, but worldliness itself.
1Jn 2:16,17 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Besides...just because there appear to be two sides to a 'debate', or multiple ways to 'see the world', does not mean that one of them is 'right'. Let GOD be true and EVERY MAN a liar. Be still and know that He is God.
That may be easier for an older fellow than a younger one. I'm getting older, and I have seen too much. And likely you (and everyone else) thinks I'm talking about all those pesky 'other people' who are so, so, so very wrong. ;D
Hopefully you'll never know what I think about EVERYTHING...and the world will pass away.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on August 21, 2014, 11:43:32 PM ---Could be, Largeli. But there is a VERY practical problem with that observation: One man's 'worldly deception' is another man's 'reasonable conclusion'. I see it everywhere, and trust me, we'd see it here too if we let it.
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Dave I'm not sure I understand, could you give an example? If you don't want to reply here could you pm me?
Dave in Tenn:
What part? The 'one man's 'worldly deception is another man's reasonable conclusion' part? Or the 'we'd see it here too if we let it' part?
lareli:
Ya sorry, the one mans deception is another mans reasonable conclusion part. I included the 'we'd see it here too if we let it' because I wasn't sure if that meant you didn't want it discussed on here..
As far as the 'one mans deception is another mans reasonable conclusion' that's where I'm confused. I would think that the man who reached the reasonable conclusion would be deceived but I'm not quite sure I understand what the statement meant.
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